Dubois did 25 headbuts vs Hrgovic, video count

Bloody heck, that was worse than I even remembered it being.

Reminds me of the 20+ "accidental" low blows that Ajagba hit Kossobutskiy with.

I guess we should file this under "another Frank Warren special"

 

I'm 66 years old and love boxing. Been watching it since the early 70s. But frankly because Dubois was given free to reign to repeatedly use his head the fight was a good advertisement for those who want boxing banned.

 

Decide to answer for last time real.
Respect your opinion, but you are plain wrong.
Firstly head clash is something completely different, aka when both fighters head clashes. In that fight it was Dubois head clashes in Hrgovic face. In every single clinch Dubois put his either top of the head or his forehead straight into Hrgovic face. And he was pushing and rubbing his head into Hrgovic face. Every single clinch. That alone should lead to straight up DQ, let alone the 25+ headbutts.

Accidental thing is if something happen 2-3, maybe 4 time at worst, not 25+ times, and you keep rubbing your head in someone face. This is 100% intentional, and this ain't up for debate at all.

I'm training Martial Arts my whole life, mostly Kickboxing/Muay Thai(same gym have both) and Karate, but had year or so in pure Boxing with Boxers and MMA guys, but specifically working with Boxing trainer, and mainly cause i sparring with a pure boxer for that time, who was friend of mine.
Not once in my sparring time someone whether he was smaller or bigger hit me like this with his head.
I have done so many clinches work, especially in Muay Thai, and that just don't happen.
The only time it happens is when someone charges in, and moves his head like a madman in the clinch with obvious reasons. Which was exactly what Dubois was doing, and this is illegal. As you cannot head charge with your head and cannot deliberate swing your head.
If any of that happens in any of the Gyms i was, they would have ban this guy the moment he repeat his charge, let alone do it 3 or 4 time.

And you are missing the part where this is not his first time.
It's not coincidence that he lands 20+ low blows and illegal body punches to Usyk, as there is a video on this.
Then smashed Miller with tons of low blows + headbutting and he charges with his head first, which again is illegal.

And now he land 25+ headbutt. Yeah this ain't happen by accident, he is being train to fight dirty.
It's all Don Charles work, as we know how dirty Chisora was and that he don't care where he hits you, and with what.

In Karate, Shotokan and Kyokushin we condition our body with punches, and do hard sparring as well. While i been in plenty Shotokan gyms and seminars, the dojo where i trained the most, we were doing hard spar and hard conditioning, similar to Kyokushin.

No f***** once has i or anyone else, even when we go full blast, has hit someone even to the bladder with a punch.

In order to do that constantly(as 1 or 2 accident can for real happen) and to constantly going that low, this is not accidental, this is trained constantly. It's not like you accidentally start hitting low. You have train that way in the gym, and trying to reproduce that in the ring.

The way i see it, 3 fights with don Charles for Dubois, all 3 of them he should have been DQ with a fair referee, or at least taken points straight away, and then see how he will continue doing it. But in Usyk fight he was warned like 10 times, and he still doing it.

Now, given Hrgovic and his team are idiotic, same for Miller, but if you remember on here, Usyk best "fan" senpai and miniq, has made a thread how Usyk is crybaby(also narrative by team Fury), when he complains about illegal punches, which people on here doesn't even know what is legal to hit or not.
People don't realize that hip shots are illegals, and kidney shots are illegal as well.
So maybe Hrgovic or other boxers, don't want to be seen as "crybabies", and that's why they complain. Or they are stupid enough, to think that the ref will do his job. Or maybe in Hrgovic case, as he is dirty asf. as well, as he is notorious rabbit puncher.

But again, just because someone gets away with it, doesn't mean this should be acceptable or allowed. And commenting or compare it to Tyson, Holy, Lewis is irrelevant and not right.

And i'm the last person to like Hrgovic, as i never liked people that try to cheat in the ring.
This is why Dubois has go down on my list big time, as he was someone i like.
I'm just not biased to what i see.

Anyway spend way too much time on this one, but i'm happy that [url]dragansimic22A[/url], comes up with this video, and more people talks about the cheat Dubois has become. I see plenty of other boxing channel starting to discuses about the headbutts, and not ignore the obvious cheating Dubois did in that fight.

 

Yeah, if you look closely, the ones that gets away it's the big names or the ones with big promoters behind them, and pretty much UK/USA fighters.
I mean the whole idea that you would put British referee in the ring, when there is UK fighter, just shows you all you need to know.

Imagine in Football Real Madrid - Bayern Munich with Spanish or German referee.

 

I was happy to see them. Boxing is a dirty sport by design. That's why there is no instant replay now and there was never a man on the outside to catch fouls the ref inside could not due to stage blocking.

You are meant to follow the rules the ref spoke to you about before the fight and if not mentioned have a try. If the ref tells you no more, it's enforced, if not it is not enforced and you can, legally, headbutt or elbow or whatever TF it is you're trying to get away with.

There is no mechanism for proving and penalizing fouls the ref missed because boxing is by design a dirty sport born out of Sparta.

 

That's a lot of headbutts. But most were not high-impact. Seemed like he was reckless. But I do think recklessness should be punished. Your style should not lead to so many headbutts. You need to adjust it or get DQ'd.

A lot of Holy's butts were accidental but he knew his style would lead to butts and did not care.

 

That's a good idea that a style shouldn't make even accidental headbutts. I agree with that, as well as with the rest of your post. The vast majority of these headbutts were the result of recklessness and they were low impact. That's my main argument here to support the 'mostly accidental' stance. What good is it to repeatedly headbutt your opponent if you don't even do significant damage with it? Your opponent won't be hurt, yet you are risking to be punished by the referee. High risk/low reward type of situation.

 

Isn't that how Ward beat Kessler ?

 

Bad reffing

 

So what Holyfield used to do?

 

Ward was a piece of ****. Dubois is nowhere near on that level.

 

I think I said or agreed with it in the RBR that some looked intentional and others because dubois is clumsy. But I don't think Dubois is some 8D chess level boxer who is game planning this kind of like what Hopkins would do sometimes. I haven't even watched this video but I did see Hrgybear get butted quite a bit and the ref should have warned Dubois.

But that said, Hrgy lost because he emptied his gas tank and his head movement sucked which allowed Dubois (a heavy puncher) to land on him repeatedly.

 

Now make a compilation of Hrgovic rabbit punching his opponents, that would probably be over an hour long lol.

Dirty fighter gets a taste of his own medicine and now people want to cry about it...

 

Dubois came to fight.
Hrgovic is a dirty rabbit punching top contender, supposed to be superior level heavyweight, a killer. Most comments before fight were about how Hrgovic was superior in every way and Dubois was not tough enough and not durable enough and would quit if he did not get knocked out early.
Dubois proved he could compete and beat Hrgovic in every area, including dirty rough stuff.
Give credit now

 

He didn’t protest because it was accidental. If him and his team thought it was “cheating” they would had said something, but they didn’t so stop finding excuses why your fighter lost.