The Quality of Marciano's Opponents

I would put Marciano’s wins over that bunch any day.

 

And just as often they don't.so they are useless as a way of forming a definitive opinion about anything except that one mans gloves connected with the other mans body more often than vice versa.

 

In the second fight I think Louis stopped Layne. Layne kind of put a whooping on him in the first one and I think Louis took that personally if I recall

 

I have the dates,but not the detail.

 

Found the 2nd one.Louis looks pretty awful.

Joe Louis vs Rex Layne, 1950 - YouTube

 

Reading up on it, Louis apparently knocked Layne down in their second exhibition, but not out.

I find it hard to buy that Louis hit Layne harder than Marciano who utterly KO'd him. One thing which is possible though, about this guy hit me hardest business, is that one might not be conscious of a KO punch and so lesser punches hurt more.

Remember Gene Fullmer after he was flattened by Robinson. "Why did they stop it?" "Because the count was eleven."

 

Was a fun little exhibition. Think Louis was like 230 pounds for this lol.

 

Louis looked a lot better here ,and they are only a month apart!

Joe Louis vs Pat Valentino in Color - Exhibition December 7, 1949 (youtube.com)

 

Thanks for posting.

My reaction is that Layne looked pretty good, and Louis fat and slow.

Hard to buy off this film Layne considering Louis a bigger puncher than Marciano. Layne took it to Louis.

 

I would agree.
"Know who hit me the hardest? Al Delaney".Joe Louis.

 

Gardner beat Woodcock when Woodcock was still rated in the official top ten. And that’s how even your ring magazine rated him as well.

“Gardner challenged Bruce Woodcock in 1950 for the British and Empire Heavyweight Championship, defeating him by TKO after eleven rounds. Afterwards, Gardner defeated Jo Weidin on points after fifteen rounds in 1951 for the European Heavyweight Championship.”

 

Should they, though? Punch stats are usually pretty inaccurate, though it does give us a good idea of how underrated his defense was.

 

I would say the one who is often the aggressor hits more and gets hit less is more often the winner. Certainly can be misleading when taking into account power shots. But what a career of fighters does w the punch stats is paint a picture. A handful of fights can be misleading but take a decent sample size and a better picture arises. Which slowly negates minor errors with the difficulty of counting

 

I have seen that quote. Expanding it, my recollection is Louis said it was a body punch and no punch ever hurt him as much.

It came in Louis' 6th pro fight.

Here is Al Delaney's career record:

Fights 103 (65-31-7) (25 KO's)

Clearly Delaney was just a so so puncher at best.

Louis KO'd Delaney in four.

I guess this shows a punch which hurts the most might not be the punch which knocks you out. But I think punching power rests on knockouts. If a punch does not knock a guy out and is judged a harder punch than a punch which does knock him out, what exactly are we measuring and of what value is the measurement.

 

Stop it.

Any of the fighters I listed would box circles around Rocky's competition.

You are obsessed with being a contrarian.