Sonny Liston vs these 80s and 90s bruisers

LOL@you

The Ugly Bear did not go undefeated until his Title shot and got his jaw broken by a borderline Middle weight.

The Ugly Bear cleaned out a moribund Division full of Skinnies , No Hopers and the absolute Glass cannon Williams.

The Ugly Bear bulldozed a Glass chinned Light Heavy for whom you need three sets of hands to count how much he was down in his career.

The Ugly Bear made 1 one ONE title defense

The Ugly Bear quit twice vs the first Modern Heavy he met who was green, unproven and unknown at that time.

The Ugly Bear was one shotted by a fringe Contender in his "Comeback".

The Ugly Baer has ZERO wins over similar large skilled Heavyweight Champs like on the list

The Ugly Bear never fought himself back into a Title shot after the Ali debacle yet almost half of the list regained the Title again.

The Ugly Bear is the most hysterically over rated Fighter on this Board.

The above are undisputed Facts not Fiction.

Now this is opinion not fact but Liston is losing more than he wins vs that Bunch.

 

Williams was physically bigger, faster and taller than Sonny. Valdes also held similar andvantages, and he handled those two pretty well. Sure, they weren’t Ali, but neither are any of the bruisers.

I also doubt these men can replicate Ali’s feat, Ali was very special and even in that case Liston wasn’t really in his prime anymore when he fought Ali. I’ve even heard he tried extending the fight date due to a shoulder injury.

 

Loses to McCall but beats the rest.

 

The Tame House Cat never beat anybody with a pulse , a glorified can crusher of Club fighters.

So from July of 63 when he blew Patterson out again to February 64 he all over sudden is no longer "Prime" in a matter of 7 months.......you need to sue your brain for non support.

You fit right into Liston's Apologist club.

 

Lol, merely pointing out that Liston was past his peak by the time the Ali fight came and that he’s beaten some decent fighters who’ve held physical advantages him makes me a Liston apologist? Laughably poor critical thinking skills.

Also, why are you acting like Liston, an aging fighter who only fought 2 rounds since 1961 and probably coming in with a banged up shoulder, was at his peak against Ali? Liston was likely past his peak even by the second Patterson fight, considering that his knee injury was bad enough to get the fight postponed twice. That’s a bad sign for fighters in their mid-30s. After investigation, Florida State Attorney Richard Gerstein thought there was little doubt that Liston went into the Ali fight with a sore shoulder.

He certainly wasn’t who he was when he beat Patterson in ‘62, or prior. I’ve even heard some people try claiming he was past it by Patterson, but I don’t see it.

 

I can't see any of them beating him. McCall might be interesting.

 

Now for balance, do a list without any context to all the low points of these so-called, “bruisers” careers. I’d do it myself but I’m neither retired or school-aged, so where would I find the time? I could write a novel in less time than it would take for this bunch.

 

Liston at his best is beating all these guys IMO. KOing all of them but McCall and Tua. Maybe Foreman can make it to the final bell but that's not guaranteed

 

The red flag for me was the fact that none of them are advanced boxers, most of them punchers who had at least a modicum of boxing skills.

It took the greatest boxer in the history of the heavyweight division to beat him, and even then Liston more than gave a good account of himself.

I have a significant amount of respect for you, Lamotta, so I'm kind of shocked you'd think Rahman and Bruno would have any real chance. Bruno had a great shot and he could box a bit, but size or not Liston was just too good to let him get into the 6th round. I don't think Rahman would have made it 3.

Just my opinion, all deference to yours.

 

Knowledgeable on the movies and knowledgeable on the boxing obviously. He'd stop the majority of them IMO, absolutely.

 

I would favor Sonny Liston against all of those yes.

 

Gave a good account of himself ? Are you alright? He quit twice and effectively derailed his career , fought complete No hopers afterwards, refused to fight better Fighters despite the offers were on the table, was done on the Top level and ultimately OD'd.

 

Liston would lose at least one. I have him at worst 50/50 against anyone here but he could lose to many of the fighters listed.

McCall and Rahman would be insane brawls with a lot of risk involved. Morrison could definitely win boxing and using his hand speed and power. Ruddock would account himself well but be broken down eventually. Tua is a coin flip especially if a motivated David Tua shows up ready to throw down. Sonny was a great, great heavyweight, I don't see him running the table here.

I think as the game evolved, Sonny could still hold his own. In stronger eras than the one he fought in, I think the record would be a bit different. That being said we maybe never even got to see a true "prime" and clean Sonny. One of the great mysteries of boxing imo.

I don't disagree 100% with the idea he could go 9-0 but I don't see it as the likely outcome.