Better defensive skills: Holmes or Usyk?

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  1. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    who has the better defense?

    I would pick Usyk personally. Never been knocked down. Has faced big hitters like Joshua, Bredis (who is a heavyweight hitter IMO), even Fury packs a good punch.

    Holmes was more hittable IMO.
     
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  2. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think prime Holmes beats Usyk.
     
  3. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    Usyk by a distance I think. His defence is so layered and he very rarely gets hit clean. Maybe once against Gassiev and once against Fury with an uppercut but he still rolled both shots quite well from what I remember. I can't really imagine Usyk getting caught badly by Shavers and Snipes. This video does a good job of breaking down his defensive prowess:
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  4. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holmes was often defensively irresponsible, which ultimately resulted with him suffering some knockdowns he shouldn't have endured. Usyk is always on point.
     
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  5. themaster458

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    Usyk gets hit less and has never been knocked down against way bigger punchers then Holmes ever fought. Holmes had good defense but he tended to get sloppy and get hit when he shouldn't have whereas Usyk rarely does.
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    Good video showing Usyk's defense in action.
     
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  6. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Holmes could always be tagged by right hands see Snipes, Shavers, Tyson. He had great wheels though. Usyk hasn’t been in the division that long but is stellar defensively from what we’ve seen.
     
  7. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holmes could get sloppy on defense. Usyk never gets sloppy like that. Easy advantage to Usyk here.

    If you watch the times when Holmes was knocked down, it was usually his own fault, caught by shots he would have been fully capable of blocking or avoiding if he'd been on point there. Easy example is his fight with Tyson. At first, he's real careful, real alert, ties Tyson up at the right times. By the time of the knockdown, he'd started standing flat footed in front of Tyson at times. And, welp, bad idea, as we saw.
     
  8. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    I am willing to give Holmes the benefit of the doubt in the Tyson fight. I don't think his legs were capable of moving that much anymore. He had 50 pro fights till then and was a lot more worn out than Usyk is at this age. But even prime Holmes got caught when he shouldn't have.
     
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  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Usyk. His defensive skill is very, very rare in a HW. He doesn't have the natural reflexes and ability of a prime Ali, but he is so responsible with the fundamentals - having a high solid guard, bringing his hands back to guard when punching and keeping his chin tucked. He also have an active head movement. This might not seem like much, but it is. Especially at HW, where you seldom see such defensive responsibility.
     
  10. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If it's limited to parrying, ducking, dodging I'll go with Usyk.

    Holmes had a notably higher overall ring IQ imo.
     
  11. BCS8

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    Usyk has a better overall defence without question. What's more his defence is integrated into his offence where he will bait shots so that he can slip and counter. He also uses his footwork as a means to show the other guy angles and profit off the situation.
     
  12. Marvelous_Iron

    Marvelous_Iron Active Member Full Member

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    Usyk gets hit clean all night by the jab, Holmes via KO, Tyson also blows out Usyk faster than he did Holmes

    Usyk might have better fundamental defense but it's largely unproven, Holmes has the ring IQ, chin, jab, power, and is proven against real punchers
     
  13. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Usyk on paper but Holmes had x3 as many fights so of course you'd see more errors from Holmes over a much longer career.
     
  14. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Usyk didn't get hurt by the jab, he only seemed hurt by the uppercut.

    Holmes isn't tko ing any durable heavy. He didn't tko Norton, Witherspoon or any other durable heavyweight that i can recall.

    I think Tyson stops Usyk but regardless, we are just looking at defensive skills here.

    As far as real punchers are concerned, Joshua has comparable power to Holmes's opponents. IMO Joshua hits harder than Witherspoon and Norton and only slightly less hard than Shavers.

    Bredis has legit power and is as big as many of Holmes's opponents.
     
  15. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No he didn't. Did you know that Holmes had an amateur record of 19-3. He learned how to fight mostly being a sparring partner. Uysk was 335-15 before he went pro. I know folks are going to jump down my ass and say the amateurs don't count and blah blah blah but they don't understand the level of competition Uysk faced before even going pro. He won gold at the Euros, World's and Olympics which means he has fought at the highest level since the early 2000's and the most decorated amateur heavyweight since Felix Savon.
     
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