The Quality of Marciano's Opponents

Thanks for your advice. I will give it all the consideration it merits.

 

So who was better, Godoy or Marciano?

 

Do stop with the Holmes analogies, he has zero to do with this discussion .
"Had been"," would be ", mean Jack ****.

Savold was first rated in1939, he last got rated on the strength of a cut eye win over a half blind Euro level fighter who had only recently recovered from a bad road accident in which he severely injured his shoulder and his back.
A fighter whose most notable win over a real heavyweight was a tank job!

My take is you and Gazelle have stretched the bounds of credibility to the lengths of sheer absurdity.

Savold was a gatekeeper who lost almost a third of his fights , a gate keeper when he was prime ,and a gatekeeper when he was a past prime 35 years old pug, one fight away from having his licence withdrawn for his own protection.

 

It irrelevant to the discussion as are your contributions.
No Liston or Williams put downs?
Either you are showing remarkable restraint, or you are losing your touch!

 

At the time of Louis retirement Savold was placed just behind Walcott and Charles. You cannot deny that.

 

I wasn’t aware either of those remarkable men were part of this tribute.

 

Based on beating a Euro level,one eyed fighter who had recently been badly beaten, and hospitalized in a traffic accident .Liebling called him a third rater when he fought Louis,I will be kinder and say in his prime, he was a gatekeeper.

 

Neither was George Foreman but you managed to introduce him into the argument.

I don't want to exchange with you anymore just now, I invariably vehemently dislike the content of your posts and those in this thread has proven to be no exception.

 

If you didn’t eat breakfast yesterday morning how would you have felt in the afternoon?

 

Well done lads, we've been having the exact same talking points for officially 1000 posts now

 

It was relevant to introduce George. It’s okay to introduce other fighters.

 

REALITY
Savold was one fight away from having his licence permanently withdrawn for his own protection.
AJ Liebling one of the most respectedof boxing writers was at the Louis v Savold fight and described Savold as a THIRD RATER.
Savold lost nearly a third of his fights.
Savold got his high ranking on the basis of beating a nearly half blind Euro fighter on a cut eye stoppage,a fighter who had recently been in a serious road accident and sustained,shoulder and back injuries.
That fighter had his pretensions to world class brutally exposed when he was battered unmercifully by Joe Baksi who gave him a beating from which he never ,by his own account fully recovered,the same fighter had been ko'd by Tami Mauriello. The partially sighted Woodcock would have one more fight then retire after the loss to Savold.
All the parading of the faded veteran Savold's rating in an effort to hype up Louis' and by extension Marciano's win,[because this is really what this is all about,] will not alter the fact he was never anything more than a gatekeeper even when prime and now he was 34 years old and on the verge of being forcibly retired for his own safety.

Look at Woodcock's record,see who he beat then tell me he was a world class fighter?
He wasn't and therefore beating him when he was half blind and diminished from his beating by Baksi means Jack ****!
In the previous 2 years to Savold's win over Woodcock.
Savold had lost to
Muscato x2
Fitzpatrick
Drawn with novice Richie7-0-1
Drawn with lowry a second rate lhvy who had lost nearly half of his fights.
Been thrown out for not trying against Godoy.
Lost to journeyman Al Hoosman 16-2-0

And kod in 2 rds by Elmer Ray.
"The fight figured to be easy for Marciano.
Savold was an old warhorse who had battled the best heavyweights of his era ."
"But Lee was tired and he could no longer hold his own against the class fighters of his division.
Joe Louis had found him a slow easy target when he won every round and battered Savold to the canvas for a sixth round ko 9 months earlier"Rocky Marciano Everett Skehan.

"By early1952 Savold still had name but was35.clearly on the downside of his career.
Still when the match was scheduled for Philadelphia on the evening of Feb13th 1952 everyone asked.WHY? A year or two before Savold would have made a worthy opponent,but now he was plainly washed up.
The public ridicule and cynicism of the fight even forced a bizarre public relations move." One of the commissioners,the rotund Ox Dagrosa told them,"people are asking me why you two are fighting? You've got to show them why,otherwise I'll hold up your purses" .
Marcianao The Rock Of His Times. Russell Sullivan .
This was only 9 months after Savold had been manhandled by Louis.


SILK PURSE SOW'S EAR!


THERE IS YOUR REALITY!

SOMETHING YOU ROCKISTA'S HAVE NOT EVEN A TENUOUS GRASP OF!

 

The reality is whoever beat Savold when Louis beat Savold (and as well as Louis beat savold) would have been regarded an outstanding logical contender to the title.

for what ever reason you don’t like Sav. But it sometimes happens that we get longtime contenders who finally get that break that launches them into a more lofty position. But the position is earned all the same. They had a decent rep to begin with.. Chuvalo did something similar later on in his career when he beat Quarry but like Sav he had been knocking around the fringes for a long time until then. There are lots of examples of this sort of thing.