Prime George Foreman vs Zhang

And then there's Usyk.

 

I seriously considered a play on that

 

Didn't even notice Young stuck his hand in his face or framed him awkwardly. Definitely not a clean, true knockdown. Foreman was essentially blinded and partially shoved while off balance and even the people who saw it live didn't think he was legitimately dropped.

 

Exactly right Cobe. 42.16 is a slow mo where you can really take it in. I reckon he gets double value by pushing dragging his laces across Foreman's eyes too. Take particular notice that Young's right hand is on it's way not long after the laces are out of Foreman's face, obviously a planned move. I'm not whining (as it was a dirty fight) but adding some context to the "KD" so many seem to put so much worth on. Foreman's balance looks good until that right hand cuffs him.

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I'm sure that a distinguished and intelligent poster like yourself has noticed that Foreman and Usyk fight nothing whatsoever like each other at all.

 

"Off balance"

"Little bit of a shove"

Framed, blinded, and laced

And he was up at the count of 0 without any pain, discomfort, or wobbly legs near the end of the 12th and final round.

But the way people describe it, you'd think this was some sizzling, clean right hand that broke Foreman's jaw, sent blood and sweat flying everywhere, knocked his mouthpiece out, and had him just barely getting to his feet before the ref reached 10.

What's even more puzzling is that Zheng resembles Young in terms of styles the way Foreman resembles Parker. Bit odd to bring this fight up.

 

Yes i was pointing out the size comment.

 

I'm sure that a smart guy like you can work out that Foreman used his size against his opponents and that Usyk uses footwork, boxing skills and movement?

 

And i'm sure you can work out that Foreman has every chance of getting Bhang out of there thru sheer power. Usyk, a much lighter hitter than Foreman had Fury ready to go.

 

I've never seen Zhang on the canvas. Have you?

Yeah, so Usyk is the pale dude from Ukraine, Foreman is the tanned fella from America. Zhang is the big Chinese guy and Fury is apparently a king from the gypsies. These guys are not interchangeable at random.

 

Good luck going versus the "But, but Young exposed glass chinned Foreman" crowd...

 

Fury's chin is far more proven than Zheng too.

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I don't need luck when we have footage and common sense.

The only fighter to drop Foreman with raw power was Lyle, a fight where Foreman was coming off a loss, rusty, and had changed trainers. Foreman had listed Lyle as the person who hit him the hardest in more than 70 fights.

Ali and Young dropped an exhausted Foreman in muggy, outdoor arenas (and the Young knockdown was extremely dubious as JohnThomas has pointed out). They were both cagey, elusive targets who made him miss and countered him multiple times which can knock the wind out of you. Even if you only focus on his career in the 70's, 1 KO loss in 47 fights doesn't sound like a glass jaw to me, especially since the 1 boxer to KO him is often the consensus #1 of all time. Foreman is more proven in his first career than Zheng, let alone his entire career, and showed impressive guts and endurance in the Lyle fight. We have yet to see Zheng really dig deep to win or survive being badly hurt or dropped.

 

We haven't really seen Zhang take flush punches the only fighter who somewhat tested his resilience is Hrgovic, and well Dubois walked through Hrgovic's punches easily and Dubois isn't known for his durability.

Zhang was also in trouble vs Jerry Forrest but he has a genuine excuse for that due to kidney failure and anemia.

Unfortunately when Zhang fought Wilder that was a totally shot version who offered no resistance and didn't test Zhang's resilience at all. I think Wilder landed one okish right hand in 5 rounds apart from that he was gun shy and didn't land any punches.

I want to see more evidence of Zhang but unfortunately hes already old so hes bound to age over night at any point.

Zhang's output is also very poor aswell he only managed 273 punches thrown vs Parker compare that to a 48 year old Foreman who managed to throw 488 punches vs Briggs.

 

You bet i have.

Can you point me to where anyone said other?