Did Liston blind Ali in their first bout?

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  1. SonnyListon>

    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    Working on the ultimate thread regarding this topic, just wondering if anyone has any relevant information they'd like to bring up.

    If you do make any significant claims please try to include a source,thanks.
     
  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    i wish i had any info. There is no doubt Muhammad's vision was bothering him though.
     
  3. Cashel Byron

    Cashel Byron New Member Full Member

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    From Thomas Hauser's biography of Ali:

    ANGELO DUNDEE:
    “Near the end of the fourth round, Cassius started having trouble with his eyes. To this day, nobody knows exactly what the problem was. It might have been liniment from Liston’s shoulder. My guess is, it was the coagulant that his corner used on the cuts. Probably, Cassius got the solution on his gloves, and when he brushed them against his forehead, it left a layer of something that trickled down with the perspiration into his eyes. [...] There was something in his eyes, definitely, because I put my pinky in the corner of his eye, and then I put it in my own eye, and it stung, it burned."

    ANGELO DUNDEE: “I didn’t see too much of the fifth round; not the first minute, anyway. Everybody knew Liston was a tough guy with connections, and certain individuals had been fueling Cassius’s imagination about white people being out to destroy him. As soon as I got down the steps in the corner, my brother Jimmy ran over all excited and said, ‘Ang, show these guys you didn’t do nothing. They’re looking to do a number on you.’ Because there were two Muslims standing there, looking at me in a definitely hostile way, figuring I’d done something wrong. So I said, ‘Are you guys nuts? I want to win this thing as much as you do.’ I threw water from the bucket in my eyes. I showed them everything I could. And then I went back to watching Cassius kick Sonny Liston’s butt.”
     
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  4. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    The true story will never be known. All the players in the Liston corner are now dead I believe so no one s coming forward to tell us.
     
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  5. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    If it's worth anything, I seem to recall Ali implying that it was Liston's ugliness that blinded him. Up close, that kind of ugly gets grating as the rounds go on and starts to take its toll before you can adjust to properly seeing in its vicinity again.
     
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  6. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Ali definitely did have the habit of periodically brushing his forehead with the glove (left glove?). Probably a legacy from sparring when he would do same to adjust his head gear that had shifted from time to time.
     
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  7. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes and not only Ali, few more fighters too...but I should be quiet or his parole here would chase me and kill me.
     
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    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    I agree but I do not think it was from an outside chemical, the thread im working on will include my full theory. Stay tuned.
     
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    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    This is interesting… I remember seeing a source discuss how the judge did the same thing dundee allegedly did by putting it in their own eye and nothing happening. Interesting…
     
  10. SonnyListon>

    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    Hopefully my thread will be as close to the truth as possible.
     
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    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    Yea thats true, cant reveal too much but I dont think it due to ointments or any sort of chemical.
     
  12. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I'll be reading it with interest.
     
  13. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    "I walked over to Liston's corner and put my nose on both his gloves. I didn't smell anything but the leather. I even felt the gloves. Then I turned around to Dundee and said "There's no liniment on his gloves."
    https://ibb.co/XyFb6Nm
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    "People said Liston put liniment on his gloves to blind Ali, but that was a crock."

    Source: https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/liston-didn-t-blind-ali-6987354.html
     
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    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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