Where could Loma be P4P, if he beats Shakur and Tank ?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by senpai, Jun 14, 2024.

  1. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2015
    Messages:
    15,151
    Likes Received:
    12,598
    None of his loses have been controversial. Only his nuthuggers think they were controversial. He lost fair and square everytime he lost.

    The only thing I agree with you is that Usyk is way better than loma. And by far, I would add.

    Comparing loma fighting haney and rigo fighting loma is ridiculous. If you want to compare, make loma fight crawford (2 whole weights up when he is 40 yo) and let's see how it goes. Spoiler, it ends up with Loma in a coffin. You will never watch that fight, and for very good reasons. And this 40 yo man being dragged 2 whole weights up is Lomas best victory. That's says a freaking lot.

    If people want to hug ukrainian nuts, at least they should have the decency of hugging Usyk's nuts instead. Impecable fighter, brutal talent.
     
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2024
  2. PillowFists

    PillowFists New Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2024
    Messages:
    82
    Likes Received:
    83
    Number 1, those two are already fringe P4P top 10 contenders. Unlike the others ranked they are actually in their prime and active fighters who drive great ratings.
     
  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2021
    Messages:
    14,944
    Likes Received:
    16,996
    Number 1 honestly, don't think it happens. He can beat Tank but its 60/40 in lomas favor, by the time he fights Shakur he would be too old, he'd still be World class but I don't think he'd be amongst the most elite pfp fighters anymore especially at 135
     
  4. alakran

    alakran Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    3,451
    Likes Received:
    427
    How are his fights not real? You can’t blame someone for being a weight bully if they make weight. As GGG, Lara and Trout they might have been close but he edged Lara and Trout and probably ended 1-1-1 with GGG. Nothing in Loma’s resume compares to GGG, I agree Crawford resume is paper thin as well but again, better than Loma’s, if he has the skill set peope claim he has he should not have lost to Lopes or given up the last round to Haney.
     
  5. alakran

    alakran Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    3,451
    Likes Received:
    427
    To me ATG is top 50 or 100 of all time. In recent times I would only count Pacquiao, Mayweather and possibly Wlad because of his reign. Before that ODLH and probably nobody currently.
     
    Smoochie likes this.
  6. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2005
    Messages:
    6,528
    Likes Received:
    2,155
    The Haney fight was certainly controversial in the sense that a majority of boxing fans believed the wrong guy won.
     
    Smoochie likes this.
  7. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2024
    Messages:
    2,885
    Likes Received:
    5,010
    Canelo’s fights aren’t real because pretty much all of them for the last half decade have been blatant and obvious fixes. The Kovalev fight is the clearest example because you can see Sergey pull his punches all night long and forgets how to box.
    Being a weight bully isn’t about making weight it’s about how much weight you put on afterwards. Canelo put on massive amounts of weight back down at 147, 154, and 160 after his weigh-ins. Canelo has fought more than half his career at catchweights as well and has played weight games with loads of the guys he’s fought.
    GGG beat him twice and him beating a 40 year Gennadiy who was balding and wasn’t coming to win means very little to me. The point is that Canelo has been gifted controversial decisions nearly his whole career by paid off judges and a commission that always looks out for him when he screws up.
    How is Crawford’s resume in any way better than Loma’s? I just don’t see it. Bud’s resume is abysmal and apart from overhyped, one-dimensional, compromised Errol and a half-retired Porter he holds no wins over truly top level fighters. On paper, Kambosos is as accomplished as Errol is (unified champion in a single division) and Kambo isn’t a top 10 Loma win but Errol is a top 1 Bud win.
    Not a single one of Loma’s losses came down to a lack of skill. Loma had a right shoulder injury in the Teo fight and has provided evidence on multiple occasions to support the fact that this is a recurring injury he suffers from. It’s the reason he gave away the early rounds, so that his shoulder could warm up and he wouldn’t do permanent damage to it. He knew to use this strategy because his shoulder was also injured against Linares and he did this to get around it. Despite this though, he still, imo in anyways, did enough to beat Teo. Oh, and he won the 12th against Haney. I don’t care what he said in the post-fight interview, interviews aren’t scoring criteria, Loma still out landed and backed up Haney in the 12th while barely getting touched at all himself.
     
    Smoochie likes this.
  8. alakran

    alakran Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    3,451
    Likes Received:
    427
    Only thing on here I can agree with is Crawford. All fighters start out with size advantages when young because they can cut weight better. There’s lots of fighters who start out at 135 and move up to 160 or 147 and move up to 160-168. Canelo has now gone as high as light heavyweight and gone up and down weight classes. He has had some close wins but far from robberies. Even if you give him the last round against Haney he let his foot of the gas. I personally had him winning but you can’t keep complaining and taking it easy in fights. If he has the huge skill set fans claim he has then why not dominate fights like Mayweather, Usyk, Pac, or other atgs who were the smaller fighter in a the majority of their fights? Loma is really good but 20 years from now he won’t be remembered like Pac and Floyd or even like ODLH, Mosley or Rjj
     
  9. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2010
    Messages:
    21,943
    Likes Received:
    3,300
    Spit hairs…dude has lost to Haney, Teo, and Salido. I mean come on man, let’s be serious.
     
  10. Smoochie

    Smoochie Boxin' dreamer Full Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2024
    Messages:
    1,813
    Likes Received:
    1,913
     
  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    Messages:
    81,677
    Likes Received:
    21,962
    Top 5 is good tbf
     
  12. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2022
    Messages:
    15,549
    Likes Received:
    32,348
    It's fair to say Loma lost to Lopez fair and square which he did.

    But the Haney loss was very controversial in which the majority think Loma won.

    And the Salido loss was a total farce the referee allowed Salido to low blow Loma all night without a single point deduction, not to mention Salido not even making the weight coming into the fight weighing in at 147 on fight night which was scheduled at Featherweight......
     
    Smoochie likes this.
  13. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2015
    Messages:
    15,151
    Likes Received:
    12,598
    Nah. He lost the three fights fair and square. Not a single robbery. He just lost, period, while his fans cry and cry and cry and make excuse after excuse.... which is extremelly annoying. Can't they simply hug Usyk's nuts? Nobody could blame them for that, but no, they have to make stupid excuses nonstop.
     
  14. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2022
    Messages:
    15,549
    Likes Received:
    32,348
    Have you ever watched Salido vs Loma ? That fight was a total farce. So you think a fighter being able to commit fouls all night without any deductions or warnings is a legit loss ? Not to mention Salido failing to make the weight and coming in ridiculously overweight weighing in at 147 in a fight scheduled at Featherweight ? That is not a legit loss in my book that's corruption.
     
  15. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2015
    Messages:
    15,151
    Likes Received:
    12,598
    At the very least, I watch 5 fights a month like the one you are describing. Welcome to pro boxing.

    I only see there an excuse.