Prime George Foreman vs Zhang

Wait, what? Are you making the case that those 30 LB OF FAT serve a purpose? OMG, lookee here, I agree.

 

Also, Zhang can have ALL the dim sums if he wants them.

 

1-Zheng doesn't have the hand speed, coordination, or technique to punish the long guard parries.
2-You're not funny.

Zheng lost despite being 30 lbs heavier than Parker and Hrgovic. The takeaway is that simply being heavier isn't some guarantee for a win. Hrgovic certainly isn't as good as Foreman either.

The other takeaway is that Zheng's resume is worse than Foreman's, by a significant margin. Resumes are very significant when it comes to vs discussions. Not sure why I have to explain this to you.

No, are you stupid? You're the one making that case (poorly). Your argument centered around Foreman bullying "microbial" heavies like Ted Gullick who was 20 lbs lighter, but it's ok for Zheng's best win to be against a 39 year old man who is 60 lbs lighter than Zheng.

Zhang has world class power and is usually 30-40 lbs heavier than most opponents and yet he has a worse resume than 70's Foreman who, according to you, relies on his power and size to win. That's the 3rd time you've destroyed your own argument with your stupidity.

Cool story, he beat men larger than Foreman. So according to you, that means Zheng should win, style matchup analysis be damned.

You keep saying "old version of Zheng" like he was some amazing hall of famer in his prime. He didn't accomplish **** when he was younger and was dropped by a microbial 6'1 Juan Goode.

Nobody said Foreman was as fast as Parker so I'm not sure why you're yet again going on an irrelevant tangent. Have you taken your ritalin?

Since you're too stupid to follow along from point A to point B in basic conversation, I brought up Bonavena because you claimed that if Foreman were 20 lbs smaller and had less power he'd lose to Chuvalo. Bonavena is 20 lbs smaller than Foreman and had less power and beat Chuvalo.

You're actually not correct at all, but I'll point out the obvious yet again: Ali attempted to use his legs in round 1 and changed strategies because he realize Foreman was too quick and too good at cutting off the ring. Ali's statement simply confirms what anyone who watched the fight could see.

My point wasn't that anything Ali says is gospel, my point was that he (along with other boxers) admit Foreman has underrated speed and timing.

It's actually really cool how you keep destroying your own talking points.

I did so well that they offered me a contract extension. What have you written that has been given any praise? I'll wait.

 

I can't think of a single boxer in history who would beat someone as good as Foreman throwing 16 punches per round. Especially not an obese 40 year old with limited world class experience and stamina.

But that's just me.

 

1) Yes he does
2) Yes I am.

1) Being heavier sure AF helps
2) I don't remember Hrgovic fighting Foreman. Got any footage?

Resumes are also a matter of opinion. If they weren't then Rocky Marciano would be the #1 heavyweight having smashed 4 ATG fighters. The significance of a resume on this fight is in my opinion diminished when we can directly compare the footage and see how the fighters get along.

uhoh somebody wants to throw his toys out the cot

... thereby proving my point that weight advantage is a significant thing. Maybe you haven't noticed but there are weight classes in boxing. You want to explain why?

Well he'd be about 60lbs heavier than Foreman, and yeah, he'd rely not only his size and power to win but also the fact that he's faster than Foreman, throws straighter and harder punches further and, not to mince words, would split Foreman's The Mummy defence wide open.

waaahhh

Nope, see previous post.

LOOOOL and lil Jimmy Young introduced prime Foreman to Jesus himself

My point being that Parker was fast enough to get in and out without being 1 shotted. You must have amazing faith that George "sloth" Foreman could do the same.

You sound upset. Have you ever watched Spongebob?

Maybe Spongebob might not do the trick. Too whimsical? Or perhaps the problem is that I'm dealing with a sour human Squidward at the other end

Ahhhh, I getcha. Bonavena is a Foreman clone only 20lbs smaller and no power. Yes, yes, I see the eerie, almost reflective similarities. Ya know, if there was a room full of Oscar Bonavenas and one dehydrated Foreman amongst them, we'd never find him.

AKA Ali recognized a dope when he saw one and roped him in

Oh so NOW Ali is telling the truth? But the bit where he said Foreman had no power, that was bunkum? Gee boss, you are so clever!

^ This comment is cool because it shows that you are having some difficulty in keeping up.

lol. Your visit and speech on snails must have been the highlight of the week at the Shady Pines Home for the Elderly

 

Don't call me "son" you pathetic loser.

And I'm not the one crying. You're the one in here button mashing and defending your ignorant, stupid and laughable position to anybody who rightly rips it to pieces.

You really are as thick as pig excrement and there is no helping you.

Onto ignore you go. Life's too short to have to put up with imbeciles like you.

 

God is this atrocious.

 

I'm not sure he'd even need 16 punches tbf.

 

Hold the phone….you’ve jumped out of gear real quick on the claim that Foreman’s mammoth weight advantage over Chuvalo made ALL the difference.

3 1/2 lbs. Yes, 56 ounces. That’s a weight pull that’s equivalent to the size of a premature, new born baby.

Wilder was up against a weight difference that equated to a whole village of Chinese children hiding in that belly of Zhang’s, thus Big Bang’s mobility and output was only marginally better than that of a statue.

How many times does 3 1/2 go into 68? Hint: pretty much X 20.

Dim Sims? I like ‘em myself. Sweet and Sour Pork is my favourite dish. I would sit down to a Chinese banquet with Zhang - I like the man.

His shout of course but god help him if he pinches any dim sims from my individual serve.

 

Don’t worry Glass, you’re not alone and you’ve fought the good fight.

There’s only one person here who needs to buy a certain brand of basketball and name it “Wilson” as if it was a real person one could confide in.

An average NBA basketball weighs about 1.38 lbs. Just say’n’ since weight seems to be the order of the day.

 

Bear in mind NN, that’s thrown, not landed, though Zhang’s relative connect rate was good - but Wilder wasn’t exactly hard to hit and I seem to recall Deontay easily ducking several Zhang lefts before some big shots got home.

 

I’ve never seen Wilder get drilled in round one like Foreman did a bunch of times.

 

You would, if Wilder were fighting in the division’s golden age.

 

So what we can learn from this thread is that:

-Foreman was a big mean weight bully who picked on "puny" heavies who were 10-20 lbs lighter than him, but it's ok for Zhang to have 30-60 pound weight advantages.

-Foreman should be criticized due to the fact his best win was against the 4 lbs smaller 29 year old Frazier, but Zhang is amazing for beating the 70 lbs smaller 39 year old Wilder.

-Foreman using a good jab, defense, parries, and lateral movement against Gullick and Chuvalo isn't impressive because they were smaller than him, but again Zhang is apparently a beast and an amazing boxer for beating guys who are often dozens of lbs lighter.

-Foreman losing to the 16 lbs lighter Jimmy Young is further evidence of him being a weight bully who loses to skilled technical boxers, but it's ok for Zhang to lose to the 30 lbs lighter Parker/Hrgovic.

-Foreman's power isn't as proven as Zhang even though Foreman objectively has the far better resume and beat better names.

-Foreman is the far younger man who would throw more than 25 punches per round and ironically has a stamina advantage over Zhang who throws about 16, but Zheng should still be favored.

-Foreman's chin and heart were tested way more than Zhang having faced more punchers, but we should still assume Zhang is tougher. It should also be noted that the "puny" 6'1 Juan Goode (Whose even shorter than Foreamn) dropped Zhang but this should be ignored. Let's also ignore the fact men smaller than Foreman dropped or KOd men Zhang's size multiple times in HW history. Hell, Usyk did it a month ago to Fury.

-Foreman has a wider variety of punches: a better jab, better uppecruts, better hooks, better body shots, better combinations, but Zhang is simply the better boxer somehow.

-Foreman, even in the 70's, ironically has way more world level experience than the 40 year old Zheng who has a pretty thin resume. This won't matter though as Zheng is just better for whatever reason.

-Even though Foreman beat multiple boxers faster than Zhang, and Foreman was praised for his underrated speed and timing, we should assume Zhang's speed will be a problem.



If you think Zhang wins, that's fine. Even I think this would be a very difficult fight and Zhang could possibly win. But criticizing the size of Foreman's opponents while ignoring the size difference between Zhang and his opponents for instance is simply idiotic. The people in this thread arguing in favor of Zhang have used incredibly inconsistent logic and reasoning full of contradictions.