Are Estrada, Wangek, Chocolatito, Carlos Cuadras among the all-time Super Fly greats?

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  1. Macedoine62

    Macedoine62 Active Member Full Member

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    Would you have put the quartet (Carlos Cuadras, Wisaksil Wangek "Srisaket Sor Rungvisai", Roman "Chocolatito" Gonzalez, Juan Francisco Estrada) who gave us big fights between them for about 5 years 2017-2022, in the top 20 Super Fly category in history?
     
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  2. panchman69

    panchman69 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nope. Id only put Chocolatito as a great. Rungvisiai was great for a short while but his great run was very short lived. Gallo Estrada has always been the most consistent but he was never elite in my book just a good fighter and Ive never been impressed with Cuadras. I wish people would stop saying Bam is taking down all the kings of fly weight, because these guys are all a shell of their former selves.
    Their great years ended back in 2019.
     
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  3. Macedoine62

    Macedoine62 Active Member Full Member

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    Wangek's prime has ended since 2018, but he has still beaten Chocolatito twice, Japanese giant Yota Sato, Amnat Ruenroeng and Estrada once. For me, he could enter the top 20.

    In any case, Khaosai Galaxy is probably right when he says that Jesse Rodriguez is just an ordinary champion.

    For Khaosai, Estrada is the most dangerous of the 4.
     
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  4. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    How many others are there really? Tapia, Romero, SRV, Darchinyan, Donaire, Arce? Of course those guys are ATGS for the division.
     
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  5. Macedoine62

    Macedoine62 Active Member Full Member

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    You forgot Khaosai Galaxy, Ellyas Pical, Katsuya Onizuka, Gilberto Roman, Jiro Watanabe, Moon Sung-kil, Masamori Tokuyama, In-Joo Cho, Suriyan Sor Rungvisai, Yota Sato....
     
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  6. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    Those guys are not on the level of the guys I've named.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    Yes of course they are.
     
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  8. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey Just taking a break, folks Full Member

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    Yes, they are. Cuadras is the lowest of the 4 by a distance but I guess he'd probably fit into the very tail-end of a top 20 at 115 or maybe just outside it. Choc is comfortably top 10, Estrada maybe has an argument for being at the end of a top 10 but both him and SSR should fit pretty snuggly into a top 20 anyhow imo.
     
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  9. Macedoine62

    Macedoine62 Active Member Full Member

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    Thanks for your opinion :)
     
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  10. Macedoine62

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    Khaosai Galaxy is the best of the history of the Super Fly division
     
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  11. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    No. Who the hell did he beat? Tapia would have whooped him.
     
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  12. Macedoine62

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    The Ring Magazine and all specialists recognize this. Undefeated in the golden era of the 80s in the world championship, enormous physique and a huge puncher. He's in the hall of fame.
     
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  13. drenlou

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    Galaxy isn't beating a Johnny Tapia.
     
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  14. Macedoine62

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    Both are legends but Khaosai is recognized as better
     
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  15. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    By beating who? He lost to a guy that finished 11-9.... his record is littered with whos.
     
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