In world title fights Joshua has been willing to fight top up and coming fighters

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    In world title fights Joshua has been willing to fight top up and coming fighters as in under the age of 30.

    Age at time of fights -
    Martin 29
    Parker 26
    Ruiz 29
    Dubois (fight due 21st September, Dubois would be 27)

    The above at the respective fight times were/are world class HWs
    I'm not a personal fan of Joshua but as a boxing fan really think what he has done in such a few amount of HW fights is very respectable.
    Consider Klitschko had the WBO, WBA and IBF titles. Fury won all those titles with one fight.
    Joshua went on to win and unify those titles and did that with 3 separate world title fights.

    That is impressive and shown that in world title fights that Joshua has been willing to take on top young fighters
     
  2. Dynamicpuncher

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    Charles Martin was not a top fighter he was not ranked in the top 10 and he won a vacant belt against an absolute nobody.

    Andy Ruiz I believe had dropped out the top 10 rankings and he was a replacement for Jarrell Miller.

    Joseph Parker is a good win nothing for me to say here.

    Daniel Dubois is a decent match up and will be a solid win for Joshua if he wins nothing for me to say here either.
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ring mag rating at time of fights

    Martin #10
    Parker #3
    (Was due to face Miller #8)
    Ruiz (not in magazine ratings at time of fight)
    Ruiz #3 in rematch


    Edited Martin was rated at #10 not #9
    Second edit read Martin was #9

    Idk Martin was either #9 or #10 I believe
     
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    Dubois currently #6 in ring magazine ratings at HW
     
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    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    During his era I think he may have fought more top young HW contenders than anyone else in world title fights
     
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    He has but I wouldn't exactly call guys like Martin top upcoming fighters and Ruiz as I said was a replacement.
     
  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Martin -
    He wasn't on the downside when he fought him
    He was 29 and an undefeated title holder

    Ruiz -
    Yes he was a replacement but he was a young prime fighter as the replacement who was considered world class

    I'm not saying that any are the best of the best. What I am saying is I can't think of any of the other champions during his era that have fought as many young top HWs in world title fights who were young and world rated
     
  8. Dynamicpuncher

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    Where you getting Martin at number 9 from ? I checked the ratings and didn't see him in the top 10.

    Ruiz only got in the top 10 for his upset win over Joshua like I said he wasn't in the top 10 when Joshua fought him he was a replacement for Miller. Hence I think calling Ruiz a top fighter in their 1st meeting is not exactly true.
     
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    My mistake Martin was rated #10
     
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    I didn't say Ruiz was in the ring magazine top 10 when Joshua first fought him. I said he was a fighter under 30 and world rated
     
  11. Dynamicpuncher

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    Yes but in your original statement you said "young top up and coming fighters" and they weren't.

    Martin won a vacated belt against a nobody and wasn't in the top 10 to my knowledge.

    Ruiz was not in the top 10 in the 1st meeting with Joshua and was a late replacement for Miller.

    The other names I've gave Joshua credit for like Parker and currently Dubois and Joshua does have the most filler on his record.

    I think that's a fair statement.
     
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    Why weren't they?
    Martin was undefeated and just won a world title
    Parker was a young undefeated champion and has gone on in his career to score some decent wins
    Ruiz won a world title
    Dubois is on a run if two impressive wins

    Was ring magazine #10

    never said different???

    most fillers?
    Who exactly are you referring to when you consider how many world title fights he has had and in the time frame
     
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    He won a vacated belt against a nobody put it into context.

    I've already gave Joshua credit for the Parker win so i'm not sure why you're still trying to convince me.

    Yes he won a world title for his upset win over Joshua not prior to fighting Joshua.

    Again already gave Joshua credit for fighting Dubois.

    I've looked at the rankings twice and Martin was not in the top 10 to my knowledge could you provide a link.

    He's fighting Dubois who got gifted the belt by Usyk, he fought Martin who won a vacated belt from a nobody, and Joshua won back the belt from Ruiz after a shocking defeat against an even more obese version of Ruiz, put it into context it's not as impressive as you're trying to make it sound.

    Well you have in your original statement claiming Joshua has fought 4 top up and coming fighters. Ruiz was not in the top 10 and he was a late replacement, so i'm not sure how he can be considered a top fighter at that stage.
     
  14. bailey

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    Seems you are trying to blow it out of context
    I haven't said anything different
    Convince you of what
    Seems you are trying to alter something and then debate something different
    Which has never been disputed
    Ok
    Yes
    See below

    https://www.ringtv.com/417973-weigh-in-result-charles-martin-245-anthony-joshua-244/

    Says Martin was rated #9 by The Ring
    I thought it was 9 and then thought I made a mistake and it was 10 but looks like it was #9
    I have said before that I am not saying best of the best
    Don't need to repeat it. See above and reread

    Please see above.
    Below is a copy and paste of a previous response to you below

    I didn't say Ruiz was in the ring magazine top 10 when Joshua first fought him. I said he was a fighter under 30 and world rated




    Now hopefully that is clear and you can say if I am incorrect to what I have written
    Another copy and paste from above for you below

    I'm not saying that any are the best of the best. What I am saying is I can't think of any of the other champions during his era that have fought as many young top HWs in world title fights who were young and world rated
     
  15. Perkin Warbeck

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    Yes, I agree.

    Unlike Wilder and Fury, Joshua never avoided anyone.

    Compare that to Wilder, who fought either faded older men or low-ranked boxers like Spilka, and refused to unify with Parker. And to Fury, who refused to rematch Klitschko and fought the likes of Seferi.