Who is the P4p #1 in your opinion?

Lomacehnko is not more skilled than Crawford. All he does better is cut the ring off and have better offensive footwork. Crawford is the best switch hitter ever. How is Crawford not more skilled?. Add that to Crawford having superior timing (best in boxing), counterpunching, and ring IQ (yes that is a skill) and its clear that Crawford is better. Obviously, Crawford is the way better athlete in terms of speed, power, less injury prone, gas tank etc.

As far as resume Crawfords wins over Spence and Porter are better than every Lomachenko win

Crawford has never been in a close fight. Lomachenko has struggled with lesser tier fighters like Ortiz in recent years.

Theres no argument for Lomachenko over Crawford anymore. This isnt 2019.

 

By what standard is Loma more skilled than Crawford? Even when Bud was at 135lbs himself he showed more boxing ability than Loma. We've seen Craword's defense and offense be far more versatile.

 

Crawford's never had a close fight because he doesn't take risks. But he still got rocked by rinky dink Gamboa, got dropped by Kava, lost 4 rounds to Ricky Burns coming off of jaw surgery, and ran against Postol for 12 rounds. He's a brawler. That's what he is and he's always been kinda limited beyond that.He takes 2 to land 1, even if his defence has improved that's still who he is on a fundamental level. He's gotten a lot better recently and was at his best against Spence though. Loma is just more versatile imo and has the better wins with the likes of Rigo, Linares, GRJ, Walters, and Haney. Spence was damaged goods in the Crawford fight. Spence was injured, had eye problems, had altitude sickness, had been through 2 traumatic car crashes, and had been overrated his whole career because Spence was always a one-dimensional fighter who should have lost to Porter. Speaking of Shawn, he himself had been out of the ring for a year and a half, had briefly retired, and himself admits that he had the worst camp of his career against Crawford yet still should have been up on the cards by the time of the stoppage. Loma had been inactive and fought a guy much bigger than himself and a former sparring partner in Jamaine. There are countless examples of top level boxers having issues with former sparring partners. Crawford also ducked Manny Pacquiao, he was offered the fight for $5 million and said no, I want more money, give me $8 mil and priced himself out. Arum himself said that he didn't think Crawford was ready or good enough to beat a little, past his prime former flyweight. Crawford has just been overrated and overhyped his whole career despite never demonstrating the talent or accomplishments some claim he has imo. I don't mind Crawford, he's just too overrated for my taste.

 

It’s Usyk who has more than proven himself against much bigger opponents. There is no other answer.

 

Crawford had 2 notable fights at 135 (where he was a huge weight bully btw). An uninspired decision over Ricky Burns who had just had jaw surgery and a former minimuweight in Gamboa who he still fought on even terms with and who rocked Crawford badly at one point. Loma has never been as hurt as Crawford was against Gamboa, Kava, or Porter. He was getting outboxed by a one-legged Jose Benavidez and was getting pieced up by Kava. His gloves explode when he takes out the padding, his refs have protected him, and he's drained opponents before. Loma hasn't had any of those luxuries and, unlike Crawford, is regularly the smaller man against his opponents. Loma is just more creative in his offence and has much tighter defence than Crawford imo.

 

Haha at this sentence. Completely contradictory.

 

How do you say this while trying to be serious ?

 

How is it a contradiction? Bud is a brawler so can't fight off the back-foot, which he showed in the Postol fight. The Postol fight supports the point that Crawford is a brawler because he looked horrible and ineffective against Postol because he doesn't know how to outbox opponents, or at least didn't when he met Postol.

 

It's simple really. I just think Crawford is overrated and that his wins are regularly taken out of context.

 

Rigo win being better than Spence or Porter is laughable.

No one said Spence was damaged goods going into the Crawford fight. This is complete reviotinist history. Spence looked great against Ugas the fight before.

Crawford did not duck Pacquiao it was actually quite the opposite. Pacquiao ducked Crawford. Pacquiao preferred to fight Adrien Broner, and Keith Thurman coming off a bad performance after being inactive. Probably because Pacquiao/Roach knew it was a huge risk and theyd probably lose (and a good chance that Pacquiao would get knocked out).

 

When was Crawford hurt vs Porter? At one point was he getting outboxed by Benavidez?

Ya Crawford got hurt (not even dropped) by Gamboa and proceded to knock him down 4 times and knock him out.

Lomachenko was too afraid to get hurt by Lopez and lost the first 6 rounds. Also Lomacenko got dropped by Linares so if you want to say getting dropped is a big deal there you go.

Crawford is just superior to Lomachenko. It was an interesting debate in 2019 pre Lopez, Ortiz, Haney, Lomachenko injuries/decline. Now its just ridiculous.

 

Adding context based on what happened is not revisionist. Using that logic every history book ever written is revisionist. Ugas was always B-level so wasn't a good indication of where Spence was. It's not all that far-fetched to think Spence deteriorated in the year plus after fighting Ugas either.

 

Ineffective? He won almost every round and dropped him?

Ive never heard anyone call Crafword a brawler either cause hes not. Hes a boxer puncher/counterpuncher. Hes not a brawler really.

 

You want to add context to how Rigondeaux was coming up 2 weight classes for a payday?