How many of Mike Tyson’s fights were fixed?

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  1. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I paid the PPV for the Seldom fight, and well, it really seems Tyson just looked at Seldon mean, and he drop. I still think the "Knockout" punch was a miss punch.
     
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  2. Kid Bacon

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    EXACTLY.
    Tyson was a walking printing money machine and EVERYBODY knew it: promoters, officers, referees, other fighters.
    Fix or not fix, it can be argued there was an explicit/implicit bias favoring Mike because nobody wanted to stop the graavy train.
     
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  3. Kid Bacon

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    Yep.
    Tyson is an ATG, one of the best ever; but I cant stand the all the nonsense he says to justify his defeat to Douglas.
    It truly hurst his standing.
     
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  4. Totentanz.

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    It's the same reason he never got disqualified in most of the fights where he blatantly fouled other guys.
    Everybody talks about the Holyfield fight but most of the time the ref would say nothing.
    This is also reflected in how his fouls are seen as "cool", "brutal", or "scary" from the general fans instead of being seen as what they really were- Childish.
     
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  5. Totentanz.

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    It's the same thing as Holmes' loss to Tyson.
    Sometimes guys just get sour from certain fights, when they're generally humble otherwise. We're lucky to have the advantage of being able to experience and see things from the outside, but those really personal losses leave a stain on the mind of certain fighters.
    Tyson is humble about his losses to guys like Holyfield and Lewis now, and Holmes has made the claim that he lost to Norton, these guys aren't like this most of the time, but sometimes that's just how things unfold.
     
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  6. Totentanz.

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    He's saying that if we were purely talking in a sense of things being on paper, than Buster would automatically be better than Tyson, and Holmes would automatically be better than Ali, but because of it not being on paper, we can see the full picture.
    Buster beat Tyson outside of his prime, but it doesn't take anything away from him or his own accomplishments, and the same applies to Holmes beating Ali.

    Edit: Just went back to read some of Sonny's other posts and maybe I'm wrong about what he said, because there seems to be a bit of Tyson favoritism here.
     
  7. Glass City Cobra

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    Technically it wouldn't be "avoiding" Lewis if he's literally banned from the sport and unable to obtain a boxing license after the bite of the century. Tyson would be able to retain a little bit of his aura and mystique:

    "Well tEcHnIcAlLy Holyfield didn't beat him, he was disqualified. Tyson only fouled because of the head butts". They could then take solace in the notion Holyfield had to cheat to beat a past his prime Tyson and they'd be certain that "glasses used Lewis" would get KOd since he lost to Rahman and McCall. :lol:
     
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  8. Glass City Cobra

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    That punch didn't even graze Seldon. He'd make for one hell of an NBA player with his flopping skills in today's era. LeBron should study his moves.
     
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  9. Jakub79

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    logic suggests this. Let's remember that in 1997, Lewis was a guy in his 30s who, a year earlier, had not been able to win convincingly against the quite old Mercer, did not impress in the fights with McCall and Akinwande, and had enormous problems with the broken past prime Bruno. It was only the fight with Golota that made him respected, but not enough for anyone to fear him. The fights with Mavrowic, Briggs, and both with Holy were also not impressive, Lennox was appreciated only in 2000, and even more so a few years after the end of his career, when HBO commentators started to remember him.
     
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  10. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly.

    Fans are very fickle about 'technicalities' - Mainly, along the lines of them 'technically' supporting their favoritism, or personal gripes and digs.:lol:
     
  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep. Being around at the time it's for this very reason very cringeworthy to now see the narrative about Tyson as the poor victim to nasty Holyfield's cheating.
     
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  12. Saintpat

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    The irony here being Tyson literally gave up a championship belt rather than fight mandatory contender Lewis. Every other champ that does this elicits a ‘he ducked, this is bad for his legacy’ reaction and with Tyson it’s ‘nothing to see here, walk away, pretend it didn’t happen.’
     
  13. Glass City Cobra

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    I partially agree with you. Many fans just gloss over or ignore when their guys ducks or sidesteps an opponent. In Lewis' case, Tyson's Holyfield fight had much greater priority as it was unfinished business from the late 80's that was derailed by Douglas/prison and people really wanted to know who was better between the iron champ and the real deal. #1 contender or not, Lewis just wasn't as intriguing and he hadn't captured the imagination of the hardcore fans just yet.

    Still doesn't fully justify it, but if it makes dollars, it make cents. Tyson facing Lewis was high risk, low reward and if he had lost, the mega million Holyfield fight would expire like milk.
     
  14. Saintpat

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    Welll almost every situation you can come up with where someone gave up a belt rather than fight the top guy came down to ‘not worth the money on offer’ so I don’t see how this is different — either more money to face someone else or similar money to face less risk. Why does Tyson get a pass? If that’s understandable and ‘forgiveable’ for him, it should be for every other champ (Bowe, Holmes to name a couple) who has done the same.

    But no rules apply to Tyson in the minds of a certain generation that reveres him. He gets KTFO by a 42-1 underdog at 23 years old and they say he’s past prime, lol. He bites a guy’s freaking ear off and they say ‘he got headbutted’ (never mind that Mike broke every rule in the book in his career and admits here that he did so with absolute immunity from crooked refs). He admits he used a fake dick and his own baby’s urine to cheat drug tests and they say ‘yeah but it was just pot’ … because if you can’t trust a guy who cheats drug tests with a fake dick to tell the truth about it, who can you trust, right — and surely a guy who would try to break opponent’s arms in fights and throw deliberate forearms and elbows would never seek a shortcut to get an advantage, of course.

    It’s just ridiculous how the rules don’t apply to Mike when discussing his career. Unforgivable sins for others are just *shrug, it’s Tyson so he gets a pass* when it comes to his own actions.

    I also think the Holyfield fight would still have been waiting for him if he had fought and lost to Lewis … and hey, if Tyson is so great why does everyone concede he would have lost to Lennox? How about if he had won? It would have made a fight with Holyfield even bigger. It was ‘unfinished business’ because Tyson thought Holy was cooked and should actually be considered a cherry-pick gone wrong if we’re going to be honest.
     
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  15. Overhand94

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    Lewis' handlers refused 13,5 million dollars to face Tyson in 1996 (that would have been his highest purse at this point). So not Tyson's camp fault at all.
     
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