How many of Mike Tyson’s fights were fixed?

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  1. Fireman Fred

    Fireman Fred Active Member Full Member

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    I agree with everything you say especially that Tyson cherry-picked Holyfield. So happy to see Evander win that fight and in such a way. Felt sorry for Mike during the Lewis fight but deserved what he got after all the pre-fight shenanigans.
     
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  2. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mike gave up his title to not face Lewis, the mandatory.

    It would have gone to purse bids and Lewis would have gotten the challenger percentage (I think 35% of total purpose on offer?) and that would have been that.

    As mandatory challenger, he’s under no obligation to accept an offer from Tyson/Don King that surely, knowing how King operated, would have bound him to King had he won (and maybe if he lost, lol). A purse bid has no such attachments.

    Facts are facts: Tyson was told either face Lewis or be stripped and he chose the latter. A thing is what it is. It is not something else.
     
  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, this was a blatant duck. Frankly pisses me off when people try to excuse those. And anyone who followed boxing back then can see why you wouldn't accept an offer from King, but rather go to purse bids.
     
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    Money Gets Lewis Out of Way for Tyson Fight - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

    Lewis sued to force Tyson to face him and won. Tyson paid $4 million to get Lewis to step aside. That's a matter of record.
     
  5. Overhand94

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    « Facts are facts » but context is very important. Neither Showtime or HBO wanted to let their respective fighter fight on the rival cable network. This was the huge obstacle, not Tyson himself.
     
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  7. Jakub79

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    You don't remember those times. Lewis in 1996 was a guy who had recently been knocked out by McCall, and a guy who just couldn't clearly beat old Mercer. At the same time, he was a guy who, as the No. 1 contender in the rankings, wanted a lot of money for the fight, but no one wanted to watch him. Nobody wanted to pay him, nobody wanted to watch him and nobody was afraid of him. it's like being afraid of Mercer, Whitearspoon, Tucker, etc. In hindsight, that's what it looks like. Let's also remember that Lennox did the same thing by not wanting to fight Chris Byrd, not wanting to fight John Ruiz and finally not wanting to fight Vitali Klitschko again
     
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  8. Bokaj

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    This ****ing notion that a champion have a right to stay away from anyone who isn't good enough risk reward and still call himself champion... Being champion, i e proving you're the best, is going to mean risk, that's pretty much the thing.
     
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  9. Kid Bacon

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    Right on.
    If nothing else, I respect Lewis' refusing to be King's puppet.
    Tyson on the othe hand...
     
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  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You are correct in that Mike Tyson actually ducked Lewis TWICE.

    The first time, in May 1996, he paid step-aside money that Lewis accepted to put off the fight until after Tyson-Seldon.

    After the Seldon fight, Lewis was still mandatory and the WBC ordered (again) that Tyson face him. Tyson was stripped of the belt in September 1996 for refusing to face Lewis, his No. 1 contender.

    Two separate incidents. Two things can be true.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/25/sports/tyson-yields-wbc-title.html
     
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  11. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The issue had nothing to do with networks. It had to do with Tyson refusing to fight Lewis. Whoever won the purse bid would then own the rights to the fight and be able to sell them to whatever network. If King/Tyson/HBO (or were they Showtime at the time, I forget?) wanted the fight on that network, it’s up to them to win the purse bid.

    They didn’t even let it go to purse bid. Mike gave up the title rather than face Lennox Lewis. That’s the only context that matters.
     
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  12. Overhand94

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    It was all about network. Lewis was contracted to face Bowe before. And his value was far from what it will become in 2000/2002. When they finally faced each other, the fight was still difficult to made, even if Lewis' stock had increased.
    It had nothing to do about the fighters.
    You should take a look about the link I posted earlier.
     
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  13. Saintpat

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    It’s only an obstacle if they allow it to be. We’ve seen HBO and Showtime work together before. Just as King and Arum were able to work together when it made sense.

    Bottom line, is Tyson fights his mandatory it goes to purse bids. Whichever promoter wins the purse bid owns the rights. He can take it to whatever network he chooses. So Don would just have to go to HBO and put together the highest bid and they’d get the fight. If HBO didn’t want to pay market value for the fight, their loss.
     
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  14. Kid Bacon

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    Well, that is common among casuals. They are not as much fans of b

    You have a good point; but for me Tyson's sour grapes about Tokyo is not just some small trash talking to excuse his defeat. It is not some like he is just saying "Oh, I had a bad night!" or "My opponent was just lucky, I am better". What Tyson is doing is impying a serious accusation smearing Douglas.

    What is worse is that in the aftermath of Tokyo, Don King tried to disqualify Douglas with the "long count" fantasy ... and Tyson went willingly with it. That was serious.
    Douglas has stated that King's accusations spoiled what was supposed to be his triumph. That probably influenced Dougla's retirement because he wanted nothing to do with King. And it had everlasting effects. Even after 3 decades you still find ppl in this very forum posting "Douglas cheated, Mike was robbed in Tokyo", that kind of nonsense.

    You would think after King screwed Tyson, he would just let it go, but it seems he is still King's willing complice.

    Sad. Tyson is an ATG, one of the best ever, but it seems he is still the classless bully he was as a boxer.
     
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  15. Overhand94

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    When did they collaborate before 1996 ?

    Showtime prevented Tyson to go to purse bids, because they feared they would lose them to HBO.
    If Tyson's camp was so reluctant to face Lewis, why King agreed to all the conditions proposed by Lewis' manager (according to the article I linked), and offered him between 16 million to 18 million (step aside fee included) ? It was more than when he fought Holyfield the first time (15 million I believe)
     
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