Modern trainer would be outraged at Louis' right cross.

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  1. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The way he let his right foot go, passing the centreline almost into a southpaw position. I could see TikTok and Instagram trainers doing some silly short on how it it's a sin against the sport.

    Whining aside, any modern fighters that throw it that way?
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Tyson used to do it a bit especially if he straightened the right out.
     
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  3. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Quite a few of these modern Trainers are youtube warriors, picking up ideas from other social media warriors, putting out boxing methods as if what the say is written in the boxing Ark of the Covenant ".
    Joe Louis , Ray Robinson, and Mike Tyson often would slide the right foot forward with the right hand, it closes the distance naturally, getting the max amount of force into the shot, often ending up in almost a southpaw stance. It became an advantage because they could get the max amount of force into the follow up left hook , and "close the door" or ended in a natural defense posture.
    They had the physicality , and the skill to get the shots off seamlessly, it worked for them, and in fact it worked for most ATG's because all of them did it generally.
    What I see in the game today is a usual sameness .
    Trainers not finding what works better for the fighter, but what their " expertise " dictate what the training routine will be.
    So we get fighters today that fight at the same pace, and same distance, some are orthodox some south paw, but in general fighting the same way.
    Imagine what these so called expert Trainers would've done to Frazier, Whitaker, Armstrong, Pryor , Benitez, or even Ali?
    Would those fighters have any success?
    Imagine Joe Frazier fighting at the same pace and distance taught today?
    Most Trainers today are more about their ego' s than what's best for the fighter.
    What's the saying about if one thinks he knows everything, he knows nothing?
    Boxing was around well before the social media experts became a thing.
    The sport was actually much better off without them.
     
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  4. Marvelous_Iron

    Marvelous_Iron Active Member Full Member

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    If it's close enough inside and lined up between the opponent's legs and goes deep at all it passes the opponent's center of balance and throws them off/wobbles them a little bit in and of itself, if it doesn't add to them going down it buys some time for a follow up shot while they are still off balance
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    People couldn't see the punch. Guys got wiped out by that shot.
     
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  6. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This happens all the time with everybody...... pick any fighter you like..

    It always amazes me how so many people overcomplicate Boxing. "Ohh you have to turn the ball of your feet when you throw a left hook" And then you see the pupil he is trainning caring more about his heel than the actual punch and the hip rotation, that is what makes the punch go, not the ****ing heel.

    Boxing is about the strong basics and then out of the basics you can do whatever works for you after a lot of sparring. If you throw a right hand with all your body behind it, it is natural to pass the centerline here and there, what matters really is not being there without doing nothing after you missed the punch... having that sense of danger.. that is really more about being focused than anything regarding mechanics of your body...

    But really... these is what matters most when it comes to Boxing IMO:

    -loose and relaxed muscles but at the same time knowing when to clench your fists.
    -good sense of opportunity
    -knowing how to fool someone, having this trickery spirit
    -'Kinesthetic' intelligence that only comes with a lot of pratice (reading patterns in a way that makes everything "predictable" for your brain, because it is like if the whole thing was in slow motion...it isn´t, but for you, after so much time doing it, it seems like everything is in slowmotion )
    -mental strenght in the sense that you need to be focused and confident. It is my belief that mental strenght comes with practice too.. so...

    All the rest.... "oh you should shoot your left hook with your palm down... oh your feet needs to be this way or that way... " it is malleable and a bit less important.

    If I fooled you and created a oppening, well then I am hitting you with or without the heel or the finger being whatever way... the delivery system is first and it is all about momentum, the punching form comes second to that and it´s open to debate in so many aspects that it shouldn´t matter all that much.
     
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  7. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Beautiful post. Thanku!
     
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  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    First thought that came into my head. Sometimes you don't fix what works.

    It's all about timing. Do it when and where you can get away with it because often it ends the fight, or at the very least turns it in a different direction.
     
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  9. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 banned Full Member

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    Show some film - not sure what you’re on about? Louis threw his punches perfect.
     
  10. Totentanz.

    Totentanz. Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire banned Full Member

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    The step in cross was used pretty often by Marciano.
     
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  11. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    This guy elaborates on how Louis threw the cross in a way that is not advised today.

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  12. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh. It is not advised today ? I guess now that Deontay Wilder retired people can say that.... please. I am pretty sure I have seen Isaac Cruz doing that even if I only watched a coulpe of his fights..
     
  13. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Excellent video with concise, on point, descriptions of Louis’ beautiful executions. Cheers Pedro.
     
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  14. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Modern is not necessarily better ...
     
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  15. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Hopkins did it all the time too