How long does 95-96 Mike Tyson last vs peak Joe Louis?

The guy got dominated by a past it holyfield. Now imagine a guy who was faster, had better counters and combinations, had a better jab, and was far more powerful than even a prime holyfield.

 

opinions like this are why Tyson is considered one of the most overrated boxers.

After getting the crap beaten out of him for 5 rounds, against a man whose been knocked out 9 times throughout his career

yet he lost to a holyfield who everyone thought was shot.

funny you say that, considering mike never gone up against a great heavyweight in his prime, much less one like joe Louis.

Louis has been knocked out twice in 66 matches, one of which has been in the 8th round against Rocky Marciano when Louis was 37. You could say Evander had a somewhat better chin, but to say that if Tyson connected with even a semi-clean shot he’d knock Joe Louis out in one punch, is just idiotic.

 

If anyone thinks Louis gets up from a shot like this they are separated from reality

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That past it Holyfield was roided out and set on making a good comeback, I don't know if Louis was more powerful than the Holyfield that had a punch stronger than Lennox Lewis.

 

Go to 3:24 to reattach yourself to reality.

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You can see that punch in slow motion right after to help you get a better look.
If you're still unconvinced that Louis won't disperse into baby formula after getting feeling the breeze of Tyson's punch then watch the second round and count the punches he tanks.

 

When was he NOT roided out?

what did you smoke that made you think holyfield had a stronger punch than Lennox Lewis at any point in they’re careers?

 

I think it's pretty easy to tell the difference between prime Holyfield and the Evan Fields of 96, just go look at em.

Holyfield dropped Mercer, Lewis didn't, and Tyson directly stated at the end of his career that Holyfield was the strongest puncher he fought.

 

Holyfield weighed 212 in 1989 against Alex Stewart, just 3 pounds lighter than he was against Tyson.

Ali knocked out ron Lyle, Earnie shavers didn’t, does Muhammad Ali punch harder than Earnie shavers?

 

I told you to go look at em. There's a very visible difference between the pre comeback Holyfield and post comeback Holyfield, it was never simply about weight.

I gave you two claims and you go for the easier one to write off rather than admitting that I got a point.
We both know that these are different situations, and we both know that what you said isn't any sort of "Gotcha".

 

If you’re basing your argument on how jacked he looks to you then that’s even worse. How ripped you are has nothing to do with your punching power. He’s wasn’t much heavier than he used to be pre-comeback, he certainly didn’t punch as fast as he used to, so how the hell does he suddenly punch harder than Lennox Lewis?

I gone for the only one that’s even worth acknowledging. Tyson saying "He threw terrific shots with both hands and with bad intentions." Is flimsy evidence at best. He didn’t even directly compare his power to Lennox Lewis. How are the situations between Ali and holyfield different?

 

Holyfield was roided up and comeback stronger than ever with 2 of his best performances at Heavyweight vs Tyson, Moorer 2. People always say Holyfield was past it and whilst its true Holyfield did go through a rough patch between 94-95 suffering with Hepatitis vs Bowe and heart problems vs Moorer probably due to his steroid intake.

But in reality a 1996-1997 version of Holyfield who had bulked up with steroids was probably the best version of Holyfield to fight Tyson. Compared to the 205 pound version of Holyfield in early 90s who was almost getting knocked out by Bert Cooper.

Holyfield was alot physically stronger at 215 pounds adding 10 pounds of muscle which is why he was so successful in the clinches vs Tyson.

 

You can visibly see the difference in skill, speed, and power in his fights post comeback, with power being the only thing that improved. Holyfield pulled Tyson around the ring for 11 rounds in their first match, and you think he's got the same strength as he was younger?

He doesn't need to be compared to Lewis, because in context, the "Best Puncher" is the hardest puncher that the interviewee has faced. The only reason that Holyfield looks odd in this placement is that you can't fathom the man roided to the gills to be stronger than Lewis.

 

That was a decent shot from Marciano, but all it really shows is that Louis was vulnerable to a hugely telegraphed looping right, so Tyson with more speed and a shorter punch definitely lands on Louis, Tyson's left hook wasn't too shabby either, which Galento was able to land plenty

Marciano definitely had more power than a lot of guys bigger than him, but 223lb Tyson was not one of them, they are the same height

 

Even a washed up Tyson beats Louis.

 

Louis was 37 and a half years old, very over the hill. You can see in the slow motion version after that Louis doesn't register that the punch is coming before its too late. Prime Louis wouldn't be tagged like that.
Once Louis realised the angles Marciano would be coming at him from he dodged those overhands just fine. He only started to eat them again as he became more tired and flat footed.
If he really was so vulnerable to overhand rights why wouldn't Rocky just spam that **** and finish him in 3 rounds?
Btw if Tyson hits harder than Marciano because he's bigger, then reasonably you have to assume that the 240 lbs Galento hit very hard himself and whatever left hands Louis received that night (which were much fewer than the ones he avoided) he took them just fine.
So Louis has basically proven he can take a punch from Tyson in the early rounds and not be out cold. There is no evidence to the contrary so this point is moot, busted, debunked.