Larry Holmes vs Sonny Liston

If you combine all things I mentioned you would realize what I wanted to say, but somehoe you can't.

 

This is enough to show your insanity...Liston pushing Foreman, a 18 years old kid who was still amateur, and that's how "Liston is stronger than Foreman"...that was not the Foreman 5 years later, full grown man with 20 pro fights knocking grown man Frazier like a kid.

 

Foreman was alot stronger and more polished in 73/74 than he was in 1968 as young kid with no pro fight, it would be like comparing olympic Holyfield and the one who beat Qawi which is unsane.
Foreman was atleast 20 pounds heavier, more polished,experienced and meaner as a man.
He also stated that he was scared of Frazier and Norton but he's just humble man.
Keep in mind that you're comparing full grown man with undeveloped kid, I'm now at 22 10 times stronger than I was when I was 18 and my father was stronger in his late 30s early 40s than 18 years old me.

Ezzard Charles beat novice Liston in a sparring like a drum, does that mean I would pick Charles over Liston?
Ezzard also stated that Liston isn't as strong as he should be for that size, and so?
Did he faced 1958-1960 Liston or undeveloped kid in 1954?

 

18 is not an adult, he couldn't buy a drink let alone considering that a full grown man.
Foreman was stronger and bigger man with 20 ppunds more than when he came back from Olympics, just compare pictures and raw strenght of that same Foreman you can se he's 10 times stronger and better fighter.
That's like comparing 18 years old Mike Tyson with Mike that knocked out Spinks which is laughable.

Yes I hit and chopped woods, I have 3 tractors and 1 truck and I could chop 3 times more woods now than when I was 17/18.
Hell I could not chop 1/3 of what my father did when I was 18 and he was 39.

Again Ezzard beat Liston in a sparring like a drum, Liston was novice with 4 pro fight but does that means Ezzard was stronger than prime Liston who was 20 pounds heavier and experienced in pro fighting?

 

So did Marciano and Bonecrusher smith, and they were beaten by some fighters when amateurs still I won't pick those fighters to beat them.

 

18 is adult but you don't hit the genetic end until you're 25.
18 can't buy himself a drink how that can be adult?
I am 25 pounds heavier than I was when 18, and 10 times stronger now.
Foreman sparred more, had better coaches, more experienced sparring partners, more sparrings, more weight lifting and 20 pro fights when faced Frazier which is why he was so much stronger at 24 than he was 18 yeara old and more polished fighter with more boyweight.

You asked if I ever chopped wooods and you got an answer, yes I did all agricultural heavy jobs and I know my strenght in 2019 comparing to now.
Just look how Foreman was wider,stronger,more polished and heavier man when facing Frazier compared to Olympics, like it isn't a same man.

 

Yes it does, Liston isn't the onlyone who started late.
And he was not as strong in 1954 and as polished as 1959/1960 that'a why insane to use sparring of young undeveloped kid against grown man as ppint that he was stronger than that kid, and Foreman was being humble man same way he said he was scared of Frazier.