Sonny Liston: “The Strongest Heavyweight I Ever Dealt With” - George Foreman

“Let's see, my mother had either 12 or 13 children," Sonny recalls. "No, I'm sure it was 13." He, however, can only account for nine. "E. B. Ward, he's the oldest, a boy child almost 40 years old now. It's been a good while since I seen him. Next comes J. T. I always call him Shorty, and he's close behind E. B. After J. T. there's Leo and then my sisters Clarety, Annie and Alcora, Curtice, me and Wesley. Annie and me was closest, and I see a lot of her. She always kids me because I was bigger than her, yet she would rock me to sleep. Curtice and J. T. get together with me sometimes, and I saw Wesley, the baby, in '58 or '59, but the others have wandered off someplace." - Gilbert Rogan Sports illustrated.

 

You should better said: I don't like what was writen on wikipedia because he's winning an argument with me!

 

Listons dad was clearly extremely abusive and uncaring for his family, I don’t think any information from him can be taken as valid. Also if I had a kid I was abusing like hell id probably try to keep the government from knowing.

 

Mans is out here claiming Liston was in his 30s in the Ali fight, your out of your mind.

 

Laughable argument, that's for sure but that's why I expected from you, to claim census and his parents are unvaild sources is the weakest argument I have ever seen.

 

I dont get what this proves, maybe im reading it wrong or something

 

I bring census and his parents quotes, I wont bother with you if you can't prove me wrong with valid sources from his same parents and census.
Up to that, bye.

 

Read both sources I send you, that would show Liston real age.

 

Grown man doesnt know that “unvalid” isn’t a word and that its “invalid” anyways you didnt attack my argument.

 

Yes I did, with actual sources and census.

 

I explained why they were wrong. Your blatantly appealing to authority.

 

You didnt. This was during the 1930s, it would be EXTREMELY easy to hide the fact you have an extra child.

 

They were not, because I bring valid sources, you caliming they're not is just your thing, I'll stick with valid sources.

 

If a cop tells you its impossible to run, is that true? Just because this person in a position of authority tells you something does that mean its factual? No, its blatantly and easily disprovable.

 

“Let's see, my mother had either 12 or 13 children," Sonny recalls. "No, I'm sure it was 13." He, however, can only account for nine. "E. B. Ward, he's the oldest, a boy child almost 40 years old now. It's been a good while since I seen him. Next comes J. T. I always call him Shorty, and he's close behind E. B. After J. T. there's Leo and then my sisters Clarety, Annie and Alcora, Curtice, me and Wesley. Annie and me was closest, and I see a lot of her. She always kids me because I was bigger than her, yet she would rock me to sleep. Curtice and J. T. get together with me sometimes, and I saw Wesley, the baby, in '58 or '59, but the others have wandered off someplace." - Gilbert Rogan Sports illustrated.


“If you go to the National Archives in Washington, DC and pull up the microfilm for Forrest City, Arkansas you will find Tobin Liston’s 1930 census family card. But Charles L. Liston is not on it. His mother, Helen, is listed, as are his sisters Clytee, Annie and Alcora, and his brothers J.T., Leo and Curtis, who is the youngest at six months. This means that Liston could not have been born before late 1930 and that the oldest he could have been when he fought Ali the first time was 33-years-old.

The 1940 U.S. Census reports have been released. Tobin Liston and his family come into view on a rented farm in backwater Smith Township on April 23rd of that year. They moved there from backwater Johnson Township sometime between 1930 and 1934. Tobin was sixty-seven and working on the farm sixty hours a week despite his advanced age. Helen was minding the chores in and around the rented shack and it’s easy to conjure up a picture of her wiping her hands on an apron as she greets the census taker. It would have been her who gave the names and ages of the children: Leo (“17”), Annie (“15”) and Alcora (“13,” called “Cabbie”), and there, between eleven-year-old Curtis and two-year-old Wesley, “Charles L” appears on record for the first time.

His age is given as “10” which means that 1930 is the likeliest year of his birth.”

All writen good to prove what I said, unt you bring something that are making these quotes and sources not valid, I'm not interested to talk wtih you anymore.