HW Hofs- Usyk / Joshua / Wilder / Fury / Who else?

And I find it laughable how you and others go so far out of your way to denigrate him, and have for years.

All I heard from you guys the last couple days is Wilder has no chin, no skills, fought no one (even though he fought the top guy more times in title fights than anyone else did), and 'so what' if he had to give up 20, 40, 80 pounds to every last guy he fought for 12 years ..

What's REALLY not fair, I heard over the last day, is his HEIGHT ... and WHAT IF WILDER WAS SHORTER than everyone, too.

If he was only shorter, gosh darnit, to go along with giving up tons of weight and having no chin and no skills, he'd never have been successful.

So let's bash him over the head with some ratings he didn't follow ... that'll show him.

It's utter nonsense.

He's a lock for the Hall. Prepare yourself. It's happening. He's a key part in what made this whole era what it was, with all-time credentials the others don't have.

 

Actually i'm not as harsh on Wilder as most my main complaint is his opposition, i've gave him credit for his power and the fact he's stopped numerous guys who out weighed him considerably which i said in my first post on this topic.

I'm also not a fan of Wilder's personality in general but i have nothing against him as fighter, he was limited skills wise but made the most of it. Got himself a belt and managed to hold onto his belt against it has to be said limited opposition but he also had a good win over Luis Ortiz which i give him credit for. Also showed alot of heart vs Fury in their 3rd fight showing no quit in him which is also commendable.

As i said my main complaint is his opposition everything else not so much he made the most of what he had good for him. I still don't think he's a Hall of Fame fighter though if i'm basing it on what i consider to be a Hall of Fame fighter.

 

Yea, it's hard for me to remember Liakohvich was champion for those few months before Mr. "Let's Go Champ" (Shannon Briggs) came in and snatched it away from him. But I guess, I can give that to him. So Wilder has a win over 2 world champs in 40+ fights.

And you are totally correct on the other information. But Wilder fans tend to ignore the PED involvement, the arrest, even the death wishes he pushed on certain fighters...........but they are quick to try to bring up his fake spirituality that he pushes out of ignorance of the culture he's mimicking.

 

You really can't throw this much shade at Parker, most of it guilt by association, and expect people to take part in make-believe that Wilder was only ever a recreational/functional drug user, who wouldn't dream of touching PEDs while Parker was some kind of PED fiend.
This is a very shaky argument you are making:

1) You are suggesting that professional boxers don't improve under different coaching, therefore any improvement must be down to PEDs.
And your timeline is wrong btw: Parker (aged 29) left Kevin Barry after the Fa fight, and switched to Andy Lee before he fought Chisora the first time (2021). He then dominated Chisora in the rematch - that was when his new found form started. Pretty normal for a fighter to bed in with a trainer and develop over time (unless you are "untrainable" like Wilder).
I suspect you may want to throw shade at George Lockheart, Parker's nutritionist, who joined up with him in 2023.

2) You are now are hinting at Parker taking PEDs as early as 2017. But they must have been pretty crap if he went on such a horrible run as you argue it, but you also argue he later was taking PEDs when (already) on a good run. Was this just him cleaning his act up before he started taking them again to fight the mighty Faiga Opelu?

3) You seem to realise that someone (i.e. Wilder) who hotboxes in a car while driving around with a firearm, who associates with PED users, who self-medicates with (class A) drugs as an alternative to sports psychology, and who puts on abnormal muscle growth while skipping leg days, is not a PED user by default.
But if that someone (i.e. Parker) is a rival to Wilder... Or maybe you just don't know what ICE is in Australia (the "class A drug" you mention)... it ain't a perfomance enhancing drug that's for sure! As you said, " Hardly the same thing."

Now maybe Parker has taken PEDs, but maybe Wilder has, because it's just as likely Wilder is PED cheat based on how you are arguing this. Personally, I think guys who have previous failed tests are fair game, but throwing stones in glass houses is unwise.

 

Yeah, it's fair to say his fans (and Wilder) need to learn to take an L. I can understand a fighter needing to make excuses to maintain a certain mindset. But his fans?

As you said before, it's all one way traffic with Wilder's hardcore fans. And when they can't find a semi-reasonable excuse... the ridiculousness starts

It's just cope

 

There are around 30/31 heavyweight champions in the Boxing Hall of Fame, and one-third (11) only beat one heavyweight champion.

Two-thirds (21) only beat two heavyweight champions.

And some of those guys had a LOT more fights than Wilder.

So, save the snark.

Michael Moorer just recently got in. He had 57 pro fights. He beat two.

 

I'm sure Parker's newfound success is just based on him giving up 'bread" and "eating more onions and garlic" according to the nutritionist.

How foolish of me. I thought this was 2024. Not 2004.

You're another one who's going to have a complete meltdown when Wilder gets in.

Once he's in, he's in.

FOREVER.

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But you are not credible in your assessment because you are dealing with your butthurt at having picked Wilder to beat Fury three times, and picked Uysk to lose to Joshua, claiming that he was just cashing out. Your view of things is upside down, and you are just trying to justify your awful and ridiculous opinions.

 

So what.

Wilder's 10 consecutive successful heavyweight title defenses (fifth all-time in boxing history) are in the books.

Wilder's 12-year unbeaten run is in the books. Wilder's five year reign (top 10 all-time) is in the books.

The fact that he amazingly demolished nearly all those guys even though he was outweighed by everyone he faced for the last dozen years of his career is in the books.

That isn't going anywhere. That won't change. They're a part of boxing history.

He was still the defending champ in two of those three fights with Fury, and made his eighth successful defense against Fury. He still flattened Fury four times. He came close.

I'm just a glass-half-full kinda guy.

 

Yeah but they don't matter. No one accepts Molina and Szpilka et al at legit contenders...well...except you in your foggy brain.

This probably goes a long way to explain why you bet on the 6 or 7 heavy of the era, and agains the #1.

 

That's awesome.

 

I don't necessarily disagree, because of the very low standards of entry, but I just feel the guy has some soul-searching to do after picking so consistently and spectacularly wrong, and denigrating Usyk, the greatest fighter of our times, saying that the man was looking for a pay-out!

If he really considers Wilder's opponents to be top-quality guys, he needs to take a good look in the mirror and ask himself why. Confirmation bias?

By the way, your Youtube vids are getting me through some work days. I just listened to the ones on Michael Spinks, Marvin Haglar, and the top three heavies guys of the 80s. Superb!

 

I'm sure Parker's success is built on hard work, saying his prayers, and taking his vitamins, just like Wilder's was

Huh, funny that. I actually argued that Wilder gets in

But in truth, I doubt I will care very much either way. You however, ...

 

When you say here, do you mean here in this thread, or here in the 800+ comments on your video.

Top Comment:
@shinestar2912 (5 months ago)
"I don't think he did enough to get into the HOF. Having a great KO % against subpar opposition isn't reason enough to get in. There are far more deserving boxers who should have gotten in a long time ago."
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I too expect him to make it in, btw. But for reasons of fame more than anything