Joe Joyce vs Chisora prediction thread .....

I'm a big fan of both lads so I'm not rooting for either fighter.
Both are past their best, Chisora much more so, and I would have been more than happy for him to have hung them up ages ago. But as long as he keeps fighting, I'll keep watching..

This will be an entertaining fight with good action and drama. For the first 3 rounds I fully expect Chisora to start fast and land more over hand rights than you can shake a stick at. Will the Juggernaut simply just walk through them with his no- defence and once legendary chin?, only to out work and overwhelm Chisora, or has Zhang and a lifetime of taking bombs taken it's toll on Joyce?.

Who ever wins here, even in victory will still show even more career decline overall I think.

Looking forward to it and let the best Brit win on the night.

 

The other thing, for me, is that Joyce was always a bit overrated at least, and sometimes a heck of a lot...

Yes, he beat Parker and that's a very good win - but JPark came into that with totally the wrong gameplan and arguably mentality, too... That's not to argue that it should be ignored, just that it's not an automatic guarantee that Joyce was a legit contender and on the level where Chisora causes problems before ultimately losing.

If nothing else, the fact one can argue Chisora wasn't exactly outclassed in his first bout with Parker (and arguably could have won - the same clearly wasn't true for their rematch!) suggests there wasn't a massive gulf between Chisora and Joyce before they were shot.


What makes this hard to read is the fact Chisora is clearly way past it AND Joyce looked utter gash against Kash.

The bigger question might be who's declined more (both had decent whiskers, but they've both been hurt bad...and both could hit hard).

My hunch is that Chisora will come out swinging hard and early, and Joyce being so slow and limited in defence will take some cracks early - if he can survive that, Del will gas and get drowned in Joyce's rock solid jabs... But I don't know if he can.

There's a bit of Wilder-Zhang about it in that sense - gas tanks and chins are probably most important given both can crack when given chance.

 

The thing is, I'm not convinced he ever was.

Sure, he was doing well in rankings for a while and had a lot of hype behind him...

But he was way too static for the likes of Joshua, Fury or Usyk - and way too hittable for the softer champion in Wilder... With how slow and easy to hit Joyce always was, combined with his chin not quite being as unbreakable as the hypetrain said, I think he might well have been tailor made for the bronze mirage.


And in that sense... If he couldn't have beaten any of the champs in a month of Monday's, he wasn't really in contention for the titles so much as in contention for a title fight he'd be guaranteed to lose - and it's not like Chisora hasn't had a few of those down the years.

 

where the del fern grows

 

He beat Parker and Dubois. Dubois looked like crap against Lerena and struggled with Jarell Miller just before his Hrgovic win. He was a but overrated but give him his credit. Joyce knocked Parker out, Zhang almost did too before he gassed, so Joyce would probably do it again

 

Dubois was a pretty green prospect... He's learned and improved since, but he's still nowhere near the finished article.
On top of that, he fought completely the wrong fight and walked into simple jabs all night until effectively forced to retire.
Good win, but not that special.

Parker came in way too heavy and way too happy to trade - it was totally the wrong way to fight anyone, but especially Joyce.
Knocking Parker out when massively powerful guys like Zhang and Joshua didn't is respectworthy in itself, but it's still a good rather than great win.


What I'm saying is Joyce got overrated because people ignored the context around these wins - it's not that they were worthless wins, that's not true, but they didn't automatically make him an unstoppable contender who could beat the best in the division (as many were claiming).

 

Did they really fight the wrong fight against Joyce, or did Joyce just force them into fighting his fight?

Especially Parker. Parker isn't a great mover and he's not that powerful either, so he simply can't keep Joyce from coming forward which means he'll have to stand and trade. Parker came in at a similar weight in the Chisora rematch and everyone was praising that performance.

Dubois not being able to avoid Joyce's jab doesn't mean he fought the wrong fight, his defense was just bad and he couldn't work around it. Joyce's jab was very good that night.

 

My prediction is that an over-hyped journeyman and PPV scam-brand will win.

 

Yeah that's how I saw it. I became a fan after the Jennings fight as he showed me more than I expected in that fight and I was a vocal supporter of his on this forum as a contender but I never thought for one minute he'd beat Joshua, Fury, Usyk or even Wilder. So while I was on the hype train, I never thought the destination was a title unless a belt got dropped and the stars aligned to give Joyce an easy title shot.

The Parker win saw people completely flip their opinion on him, he went from a contender with no hope to being the biggest threat in the division. It was bonkers, I went from supporting him in threads to criticising him because people on here had completely lost subjectivity based on one good performance.

Having said that I think it's now flipped the other way, he lost to Zhang and now people think he's shot, damaged goods, might even lose to Chisora who if we're honest is probably shot or close to it based on recent performances. I suspect he's not much worse now than he was when he beat Parker. If Zhang can be a force now at 41 having turned pro late too, then I think Joyce still has some good years left in him.

 

The problem is it's not just the Zhang fights - Joe looked very average against Gash Ali in his most recent outing.

Added to that, his chin is absolutely crucial to his success because he's so easily hit - some guys chins are never the same after a couple of brutal KO's...
We don't know, yet, if Joyce is one of them - but that apparently unbreakable chin was central to the excessively positive assessments he got around here.
Now that there are question marks over how much power and punishment he can take, it's fair to say that against guys who can hit hard (Chisora included) that's part of the equation.


I agree Chisora's near to shot - I just question whether Joe can get through the early rounds where Chisora will throw the kitchen sink at him... If he can, he'll win very easily - but he'll get hit hard and if nothing else we should find out whether Joyce has anything left to give.

 

I concur that is way i see the bout going, with Chisora sadly losing a few more of his brain cells.
Dereck please retire and look after your family, or i fear your family are going to need to be looking after you, because of neuro damage you suffered.

 

The things is people said he looked average against Takam and Hammer too because he showed no respect and just wading in and threw with no mind to defence at all and he then battered Parker. Joyce will often look beatable when he faces someone he doesn't see as a threat. He will probably look beatable against Chisora too as I expect he will show little respect to Chisora.

I agree his ability to take his opponents shots is crucial to his success. He is a huge unit and is slow so is easy to hit. Being KOed by Zhang was brutal but we really don't know if his chin is cracked or simply that he got caught flush against a huge counter puncher.

Yes this fight with Chisora should answer some questions over his chin. He's tended to get hit by OH rights in the past and that's Chisora's go to punch. So I'm sure we'll see Joyce take some clean right hands and then I guess we will know if his chin is still what it was or if Zhang really has cracked it like some have suggested.

 

Based on Joyce´s last performance, I wager Chisora has a decent chance here. He definitely has the style: switching stances and looping shots from low angels will work wonders for Chisora.
The biggest problem for Chisora is his stamina. Frankly speaking, I think he will just run out of steam and give the fight away in the later rounds.

 

I’m still going with Joyce, but Chisora picked him apart in that face to face, with Joyce coming off the back of those devastating Zhang defeats, his confidence must’ve taken a hit and maybe he’s at a point where him getting picked apart like that in the face to face may have an effect on him mentally.

 

Chisora is orthodox, Jugernaut's jab is going to destoy him.