Who is the H2H Heavyweight GOAT in your opinions? poll

Holyfield did great at smothering Tyson. Something Marciano was an expert at. That being said Tyson is arguably the h2h Goat at his best. I think the best version would edge out Holyfield. His stamina was better and he had a better corner (something many don’t think about in h2h matches).
It’s been argued to death w Marciano and this isn’t a Marciano post so I’ll just leave it at I disagree.

 

Ali 1967

Though I still see FOTC Frazier as h2h unbeatable.

 

If you don't list the real best, this survey doesn't make much sense

 

Against his putrid level of opposition (where he didn’t even look good) how can you be so sure he can take the galaxial leap to fighting the best of all-time?

 

No disrespect but I probably wouldn't even have Marciano in my top 20 in regards to Heavyweight H2H rankings.

If you're talking strictly about Cruiserweight sized Heavyweights then Marciano ranks alot higher.

But let's be realistic Marciano doesn't stand a chance against Super Heavyweights, I can't see Marciano beating many elite Heavyweights over 210 pounds.

Just for reference....

Liston
Ali
Fury
Tyson
Joshua
Zhang
Wladimir
Vitali
Liston
Lewis
Holmes
Frazier
Foreman
Holyfield
Bowe
Mercer
Tua
Witherspoon
Usyk
Thomas

That's 20 random Heavyweights off the top of my head and I don't see Marciano beating any of them at their peak.

Marciano is 5'10, 185 pounds, with T-Rex like arms and an aggressive swarming like style.

None of the above are good attributes to have vs much bigger/stronger athletic Heavyweights.

Marciano would be classed as a Cruiserweight in the modern era so he should be facing off against elite Cruiserweights like Breidis or big Light Heavyweights like Beterbiev. Those are more realistic match ups for Marciano and they're winnable fights for him too.

 

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/h2h-heavyweights-mount-rushmore.717538/

OK I respect. I'm just curious. FOTC Frazier defeated Ali. How to beat Foreman?
Because that's how you voted here too
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/top-10-h2h-heavyweights.694750/

I voted for Lewis 2000, because 1988 Tyson is not offered here, and I would hesitate between the two.

 

Well many great trainers would disagree w u. U don’t have to share my opinion

 

I think the poll is right.
Ali
Lewis

 

As Manny Seaman the then trainer of Louis said in response to Al Weill,Marciano's manager ,crowing,"my boy beat the great Joe Louis!" your boy didn't beat the great Joe Louis,he beat the shell of Joe Louis."

Out of those 11, 200+ how many were ranked,or even any good?
Louis 37 and well over the hill.
Cockell a fat lhvy.
That's it ,so don't try and use the size doesn't matter argument,it doesn't matter if you are fighting
Hardeman 1-5-0
Donato 7-1-0
Eatman 22-20-0
Connolly 8- 5-0
Jackson 4-2-0
Simmons 8-8-0
Wilson 41-11-0

All nondescript , "sausages"
But it certainly matters if you are facing a Lennox Lewis,a George Foreman,
or an Anthony Joshua!

 

Marciano only loses in fantasies. GOAT h2h. No one else can claim they always found a way to win. The wanton disregarding is troubling. Likewise the belief a little more of what failed would work is disrespectful.

but this doe, but that doe, no I didn't bother to check my physics either because everyone knows better doe.

Dude went out there, was meant to lose all the time, never did, everyone wrong so many times but it's still not good enough and when given any logical opportunity one takes said logic to strip the fact Marciano only loses in fantasy from the figure.

 

I can't see ANY HW in history beating the 1967 version of Muhammad Ali that fought Zora Folley--not one!! (And Ali still hadn't reached his full peak yet--that's beyond mind-boggling!!)

 

Save me the speech please.

Marciano was a 4 to 1 favourite over Moore.

Marciano was a 9 to 5 favourite over Charles.

Marciano was a 8 to 5 favourite over Walcott.

Marciano was a 4 to 1 favourite over LaStarza in their rematch.

Marciano was a huge favourite over the over matched Don Cockell.

So what you're saying is complete nonsense Marciano was the favourite in pretty much all his title fights apart from the fight vs Louis where he was a slight underdog. But again that was against a completely past it Louis which had no resemblance to the fighter he once was.

It's not about not giving Marciano any credit people give him plenty of credit. It's just common sense a fighter with T-Rex arms 67 inch reach, who weighs the same as a small Cruiserweight in the modern era, and a fighter who only stands at 5'10. Is not going to be successful against elite Heavyweights who dwarf him in size, reach, weight.

Marciano was great for his time but you have to be deluded if you think a small Cruiserweight swarmer with a 67 inch reach would be successful against Heavyweights of the modern era.

"GOAT H2H Heavyweight" Yeah good joke.

 

That's cool. Did you ever once bother to reference any physics when deciding if this common sense actually makes sense?

While going through betting odds did you cross over to Ring narratives at all?

Louis was a title fight? Was it even a final elim?

Yes, I am sure you've plenty to tell me I've never heard before.

 

Was about to say you forgot Mike Tyson. Even more disturbing is you forgot Tony Galento!

 

Ali, Holmes and Lennox.