Who is the H2H Heavyweight GOAT in your opinions? poll

Sorry to be the one to tell you this but a 5'10 185 pound 67 inch reach Cruiserweight that was knocked down by old Light Heavyweights is not the "Heavyweight H2H GOAT".

Your quote was this = "Marciano was meant to lose all the time"

Proved wrong by me that Marciano was a favourite in pretty much all his big fights. Not really sure what me also stating a fact that Wilder only beat 2 ranked opponents has to do with your inaccurate comment in this thread though.

That just proves my point even more Marciano was a favourite in all his title fights, no the Louis fight was not a title fight but it was still a big fight hence i mentioned it.

 

fury.

 

Usyk, Wlad, and Evander, in that order.

 

You feel like this post responds to the things I said to you, do you?

I suggest you reread the post you're responding to. I'm not saying this like an intelligence thing, what I said isn't a hard concept and you will get it, but I honestly think you read too fast or some such. Let me do a cliff notes version as I see it:

I said Marciano was meant to lose all the time.

You showed the betting odds for most of his most famous fights.

I said compare those odds to Ring narrative.

And to this suggestion you respond with "Not really sure what me also stating a fact that Wilder only beat 2 ranked opponents has to do with your inaccurate comment in this thread though."

Um, nor I friend. I don't remember the prior conversation at all, firstly. Secondly, I am not sure how you took "While going through betting odds did you cross over to Ring narratives at all?" to have anything at all to do with Wilder. To reword, what I am asking you is did you read articles about the fighters to get a feel for how the press depicted or favored any of them?



It's fine by me if you think what you posted is satisfactory to debunk Marciano was meant to lose plenty of fights. I think you're looking for an argument where there isn't any though. That, or you simply avoided on purpose because poking holes in your knowledge was as easy as alluding to what you didn't know. I really couldn't guess but I will say if it the latter, I actually didn't mean to and was honestly just asking how much research you did.

 

I don’t care how good u think some were or weren’t several were ranked. The point the op made was weight makes a world of difference. It does not past a certain point as people like Marciano, Louis, JJW, Patterson, Charles, Moorer, Moore, Dempsey, Quarry, Spinks, RJJ, and so on have demonstrated. U don’t have to be over 200 to rule the HWs. Not sure y u believe that knowing full well the history of the sport.

 

Logically the head to head heavyweight GOAT is most likely Joe Louis, or Muhammad Ali, or Larry Holmes.

They were the three who proved to be the hardest to beat, over the longest period of time.

Anybody candidate who came after them, lost to a lower caliber of opponent than they did, in a significantly smaller body of fights.

Anybody who matched them for consistency, did it on a much smaller scale.

Personally I think the head to head GOAT is Louis, but if I am wrong, then it is probably Ali or Holmes.

 

Mike Tyson.
How the **** do you have a featherfisted Usyk and a roided Holyfield in there and yet there is no Mike Tyson ?!??????

 

Holyfield is not better than Tyson, Tyson is the H2H GOAT.

 

Not in a million years.

Wrong. That would give Holyfield huge problems.

Holyfield's so called superior strength came from roid abuse. And Tyson wasn't interested in a shoving contest, that was never his style.

 

I also think it's nonsense. One may have doubts about his resume, but the form he achieved in 1987-1988 was incredible and it is difficult to point out any other boxer as a favorite, including Tysone. You might as well kick Ali out of the poll.

 

That's my bad then i apologize to you i thought you was having a dig at me because we recently had a discussion about Wilder and Ring Magazine rankings and i thought you was referring to that so that's on me for misunderstanding.

I'm not looking for an argument i just don't rate Marciano that highly in regards to Heavyweight H2H rankings, he's certainly a great in his own time but i think in the last 30 or 40 years he'd be better suited matching up against Light Heavyweights/Cruiserweights fighters his own size.

It's just not realistic to think Marciano can compete with much bigger Heavyweights especially Super Heavyweights.

PS thank you for the polite response and again i apologize if i appeared hostile that wasn't my intention and i misread the point you was making.

 

I don't agree with the list as a starting point but, of the options there, Ali and Lennox Lewis

 

Pray tell, do you think Tyson was fully natty for his whole career if you hold the PEDs accusation against Evander? Usyk isn't a featherfist either, just ask Fury, Bellew, and Dubois what they make of Usyk's power.

 

I don't think so, but I don't think he accepted anything professionally. It was more of a mix of alcohol, weed, cocaine and antidepressants. Something that could negatively impact his training. Besides... It is enough to compare Tyson and Holyfield at the age of 20 and then the same people at the age of 30 to notice the difference