the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Pat, checked this out awhile back and agree with your score. I never saw it as close when i saw that card live (totally awesome BTW) and never saw it as close the second time around.

John Tate v Mike Weaver

Saw this live in '80, but always wanted to check it out again due to the official scorecards being rather close and I never remembered it being that close. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Tate
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Tate
Round 4: 10-9 Tate
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Tate
Round 7: 10-9 Tate
Round 8: 10-9 Tate
Round 9: 10-9 Tate
Round 10: 10-9 Tate
Round 11: 10-9 Tate
Round 12: 10-8 Weaver (no knockdowns but a very dominant round)
Round 13: 10-9 Tate
Round 14: 10-9 Tate (scored this round Even but Weaver docked a point for a low blow)
Round 15: Weaver KO's Tate

Total through 14 completed rounds: 138-129 Tate (actual cards: 138-133, 137-134 and 136-133 all for Tate)

I think I gave Weaver credit for everything, even re-watching the 5th after commentator Keith Jackson said the 5th was a good round for Weaver. I don't like second-guessing myself, but I was really bending over backwards here to see any question on a round. BTW, I came to my same conclusion that the 5th was Even. Anyways, suffice to say that I thought Tate was running away with this. For such a big man, he really was agile, mobile and had a brilliant assortment of punches while Weaver fought a 'I hope to catch him' kind of a fight. This fight was Tate's professional demise, however, as that left hook in the 15th had a cerebral effect on him, which made him fragile thereafter. It happened to Bramble against Rosario and Cuevas against Hearns. The jaw just wasn't there anymore. A pity. He was poised for a Holmes fight and that could have been something.

 

Good man.

I appreciate your take on it, especially the part at the bottom which really mirrors my observations on Tate. I had forgotten how good he was at close range.

He didn’t have the snap or explosiveness of say a Tyson or maybe even a Bowe, but he was really, really well-schooled. One lapse (and I think he was tiring) and his career was pretty much over.

 

But wait, there’s more.

In Las Vegas, the undercard saw Marvin Camel win the vacant inaugural WBC cruiserweight title with a 15-round decision over Mate Parlov (iirc they fought to a draw for that vacant crown the first time), Alexis Arguello beat Gerald Hayes over 10 rounds, Thomas Hearns ice Santiago Valdez in one and Marvin Stinson, still relatively pristine at this point at 10-0-2, beat a 6-0 guys.

In Maryland, the undercard had Roger Leonard beating Johnny Gant and a quick stoppage win for a rising Derrik Holmes.

 

Revenge the Rematches is one of my favorite cards of all time but man this sounds like an incredible day of fights

 

If Knoxville, Tennessee, were located just a shade to the west, the televised card would have spanned three time zones. Alas, both Maryland and Knoxville (but not all of Tennessee) are on Eastern Time instead of Knoxville being in Central. Las Vegas, of course, is on Mountain Time.

 

Vegas is on pacific time!

 

No wonder I get so confused when I’m there!

 

Been really enjoying your thoughts on the Tate-Weaver fight. Such a skillful fighter and he looked so good against Coetzer and Knoetze fighting in South Africa. Here´s his final fight in England fighting dangerous (at European level) Noel Quarless:

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Floyd Patterson v Tommy (Hurricane) Jackson II (heavyweight title - NY rounds scoring)

Round 1: Patterson (scores a knockdown)
Round 2: Patterson (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: Patterson
Round 4: Patterson
Round 5: Even
Round 6: Patterson
Round 7: Patterson
Round 8: Patterson
Round 9: Patterson (scores a knockdown)
Round 10: Referee stops contest

Total through 9 completed rounds: 8-0-1 for Patterson (actual scores - 9-0, 9-0 and 9-0 all for Patterson)

What can I say but, a one-sided pasting. Hurricane was so unorthodox with his ungainly punching, footwork and by performing calisthenics between rounds. Patterson took his time and when he landed it was profound. The 5th, which I gave a share of to Hurricane, was not a mercy round. Hurricane earned a share. Also because Patterson took his foot off the gas that round. I just needed to see this fight for its historical value. I got to see a prime Patterson and finally got to see a motivated Hurricane.

 

Never watched it start to finish but I’ve viewed a good bit of this one as I was curious to see Jackson in action after reading about how awkward and strange his style was.

On that he did not disappoint. I mean, he threw some basic punches well from time to time but it’s like a self-taught musician who doesn’t quite understand how a song works just playing an instrument as he sees fit.

I think any good conventional fighter should have been able to handle the Hurricane. Nino Valdes likewise handled him with a fundamental approach.

 

I always thought - if I was Al Weill - and could persuade Rocky to hang on for one more defense (taking into account Weill is going to take the least chances) that Hurricane Jackson would be the choice I would make. Completely awkward, and invitingly wide open for a punch. Also, although taller than Rocky at 6'2", he certainly didn't fight to his strengths as he crouched. Hurricane would be the perfect choice for that 50-0.

 

Mate Parlov (c) vs. Marvin Johnson, scheduled for 15 rounds for the WBC light heavyweight championship of the world on Dec. 2, 1978, at Palazzo Dello Sport in Marsala, Sicily, Italy.

Stumbled across this looking for some Pops to watch and had no idea it existed. Video is a bit grainy/washy but at least part of that was due to technical difficulties from the satellite feed for the NBC broadcast. It’s plenty good enough to tell what’s going on but not as sharp as I wish it was.

Parlov is 21-1-1, the 1972 light heavyweight gold medalist in Munich, Germany, making his second defense. He stopped Miguel Angel Cuello in nine to win it and retained by split decision over John Conteh in his first defense. He weighs 174 3/4.

Marvin is 21-2, the middleweight bronze medalist in Munich. He scales 172 1/4.

Both are southpaws.

Of note: This was fought in a 16-foot ring. Parlov should have held out for a full acre.

1 — Johnson 10-9: Pattern of the fight is set right away as Johnson comes forward behind his right jab (which never seems to miss) and Parlov retreats. Marvin lands some good uppercuts and right hooks to go with the jabs.

2 — Johnson 10-9: Parlov can’t keep him off and Marvin starts to find the range with the left and keeps up the jabs, uppercuts and does some good body work. Mate sustains a significant cut over the right eye that will be a factor the rest of the way.

3 — Johnson 10-9: Double jabs from Marvin and he rocks Mate with a right hook midway through, the first time he does significant damage.

4 — Johnson 10-9: Jabs, one big left but Parlov finally shows signs of life with a few decent counters, although his punches aren’t crisp.

5 — Johnson 10-9: Marvin dominates with the jab but Parlov comes alive a big more with his counters and is competitive but simply outworked.

6 — Johnson 10-9: He’s just relentless. Lands to big right hooks to overcome Parlov getting in a couple of good uppercuts and doing some decent work in spots.

7 — Johnson 10-9: Big rally early from Marvin as he goes for it, knocks out Parlov’s mouthpiece, but the champ collects himself and fights well in the second half of the round.

8 — Johnson 10-9: Marvin’s best round so far (and he’s been doing good work since the first) as he seems to have found the perfect distance and range, teeing off with lefts behind that jab.

9 — Johnson 10-8: No knockdown but to me this is a textbook two-point round without a knockdown. Marvin hurts Parlov early with a blistering left and never relents, battering him for the first of the round.

10 — Marvin sustains a minor cut below his right eye early and Parlov follows with a good left, his best punch of the fight. Makes no difference. Marvin puts him down with a right hook a minute into the round as the battering has taken its toll. He takes his time after that and finally lands another big right followed by a whistling left that lands somewhere around Parlov’s ear as he pitches forward and puts both gloves on the canvas to keep from going all the way down. After the mandatory eight-count, the ref wisely waves it off at the 2:33 mark.

My card: 90-80 Johnson. No idea what the official cards were but it’s hard to find a round a not-legally-blind person could give to Parlov.

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Of interest: Pretty sure Russell Peltz was promoting Marvin by this time and he placed a couple guys on the undercard, with Bobby “Boogaloo” Watts beating Norberto Cabrera and New York middleweight Willie Classen (who would later die in the ring) also picking up a win.

Ken Norton was on the call for NBC along with Stu Nathan, who in his broadcasting career also called such notable events as Balboa-Creed I and II, Balboa-Lang I and II, the Harlem Globetrotters on Gilligan’s Island and, of course, Ridgemont High student Jeff Spicoli’s big surfing championship win.

If you like Pops as much as I like Pops and you haven’t seen it, give it a watch. If you’re looking for a competitive fight, well, there’s plenty of others to choose from because he ran Parlov out of the ring.

 

Marvin Johnson is one of my favourite fighters. Sadly he´s remembered for his loses (Saad x2, Eddie Mustafa and Spinks) more than some of his victories.

He scored one sided wins over faded reigning champions in Parlov and Galindez. Destroyed Eddie Davis twice via kayo, Davis nearly beat Qawi and Spinks! Beat future champ Prince Charles Williams, stopped undefeated Leslie Stewart for his 3rd World title.

You´ve probably seen it but his title defense against Jean Marie Emebe is a bonafide classic which no one seems to have seen.

Wish Pops had retired then. I believe he became a security guard afterwards.

 

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No need to score as only last two rounds, a fun fight between Danny Lopez and Juan Malvarez

 

Also no scorecard for similar reasons: watched Pipino Cuevas vs. Billy Backus last night.

It’s a TKO 2 in the record book but only went one round — I think in that place and time when someone didn’t answer the bell for a round, that was the round the stoppage was considered.

Pipino hurt Billy with his first punch, a right hand, then put him down with a left uppercut.

Commentary was in Spanish and not exactly HD, but that punch or some of the vicious follow-up looked to have closed Billy’s left eye. The way Billy was holding that eye in pain, wonder if Cuevas cracked his orbital bone. (EDIT: Did a google search and indeed The Ring says he did fracture the orbital bone.)

Backus got in minimal offense and just ducked and dodged to try to stay upright the rest of the round and managed to (barely) get through it before they stopped it.