I dunno about fighters, but Liston and Tyson fanboys are the ones who make so much excuses for their favorites when they lose or struggle with some average fighters.
But don't you know that Liston was actually ancient and past his prime for his entire career? The poor man was present for the birth of Luis Ortiz and the stars in our galaxy.
Every Tyson fan admits he fell off on training.(which he did, its his fault he lost) the only “excuse” is the 14 count but thats real. Also Liston has no “excuses” he has reasons.
Tyson because his fans use excuses that would never be accepted for anyone else. Normally the washed up argument is used when a fighter is losing to younger fighters and/or are on a downward career trajectory. Tyson fans say his prime ended as early as age 24, almost 15 years before he lost to a younger fighter.
I was agreeing with you lol. I was joking about how the mystery of his age is used as an excuse for his losses.
What the HELL are you talking about??? For the first one it was well documented he was injured pre-fight and that Alis camp denied a request to postpone the fight. For the second he said nothing even close to an excuse, in fact cus damado had to do it for him.
Cus did for him and he told police officer he threw both fights with Ali just because he lost against better man.
He bet against himself in the first, making himself and someone else $1M($35M in todays money) also the second was BLATANTLY a dive, if you believe it wasn’t you need to see a doctor to get your screws tightened.