Boxer with the most excuses?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by SonnyListon>, Jul 25, 2024.


  1. Jakub79

    Jakub79 Active Member Full Member

    999
    1,112
    Mar 3, 2024
    the truth is that Tyson quit boxing around the time of the fight with Spinks, and probably even earlier, got bored with it, burned out, did whatever he wanted and threw himself into the entertainment life. We can now say whether it was more about personal problems, addictions, reluctance to train, depression or anything else - what does it matter? If someone doesn't see that Tyson made a big regression after 1988 in terms of technique, fitness and mentality, it means he can't look at boxing. And the reasons for this are a completely different matter, honestly, it never interested me. The truth is, however, that 20-year-old Tyson was better than 25-year-old and 25-year-old was better than 30-year-old
     
  2. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,019
    695
    Feb 11, 2024
    Ali just beat him, he was all wrong for him and would beat him 100/100 times.
    The Second fight wasn't a dive, he knew that he would be beaten so he didn't want to continue fighting.
     
  3. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

    2,863
    4,928
    Apr 20, 2024
    No worries man, it's all good :D
     
    BoxingFan2002 likes this.
  4. SonnyListon>

    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

    2,013
    1,863
    May 14, 2024
    How is he wrong for Liston? Whats better against a runner than the best jab in boxing history?

    also, “he didnt dive! He just went into the fight not intending to fight and gave up right at the start!” Wow man your a fool…
     
  5. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,019
    695
    Feb 11, 2024
    Ali had fastest hands,jab, chin...any version of Liston would stand no chance against him.
     
  6. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,019
    695
    Feb 11, 2024
    Yes he did, there is slow motion of a punch and it was hard punch.
     
  7. SonnyListon>

    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

    2,013
    1,863
    May 14, 2024
    it was an ALRIGHT punch, a hook while moving backwards can only be so strong. But is it enough to take down the man in one punch who beat MANY hard hitters? Absolutely not. Also, how does this explain him INSTANTLY getting up after? He was visibly not that injured.
     
  8. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,019
    695
    Feb 11, 2024
    It doesn't matter who punches harder but who is more accurate, precise and fast with punches.
    Liston punched harder than Frazier, yet Frazier beat Ali like a drum.
     
  9. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,019
    695
    Feb 11, 2024
    He was scared of beatin that would come so he didn't want to continue.
     
  10. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,708
    4,141
    Jan 6, 2024
    The personal stuff as an excuse is reasonable so was him being in prison if he showed rust after(he didn't). If you want to say he had a bad day against Buster fine. The idea Tyson started regressing at 22(you said 1988) and then proceeded to win most of his fights for the next 15 years is an excuse that wouldn't fly with anyone else.

    Tyson was a 5 ft 10 HW weighing 215-220 Tyson was always going to have trouble going the distance. But that vulnerability was there from the start it wasn't exploited as much because Tyson usually had built up such a cushion if his opponent was still around it didn't matter. Tyson didn't have the option of being a lean 190-200 he was a tank built to knock out larger men.
     
  11. SonnyListon>

    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

    2,013
    1,863
    May 14, 2024
    Punch as “precise” as you want, if theres no force it wont mean a thing. Conversely, a strong punch will do damage no matter where it lands. Also comparing Fraizer and Listons fights to Ali is like comparing apples to picture books about rapping elephants.
     
  12. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,019
    695
    Feb 11, 2024
    Ali knocked Bonavena who had great chin and menaged to KO Foreman who had chin much better than Liston.
    Boxing styles are there for a reason, Ali would always beat guys like Liston and Foreman.
     
  13. Overhand94

    Overhand94 Active Member Full Member

    765
    1,043
    Jun 23, 2024
    He regressed technically during the 1989-1991 period but he was still in his prime and performed excellently.
    It was after prison that he was never the same, especially mentally. But even this post prime version was superior to almost everyone, which says a lot about his talent.
     
    Last edited: Jul 27, 2024
    Jakub79 and Thread Stealer like this.
  14. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

    41,963
    3,441
    Jun 30, 2005
    Holyfield, Duran, Wilder, Foreman, DLH

    I’m so used to it by now I pretty much expect it.
     
  15. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,469
    9,482
    Oct 22, 2015
    I know Foreman had quite a few after the Ali and Young fights, Also that five different boxers in one night fiasco.
    Azumah Nelson had a few .
    But no one in memory had the excuses of Dontay Wilder.
    That excuse of " my costume was to heavy" and it tired my legs before the fight ". Has got to be the absolute dumbest excuse in the history of boxing.
     
    The one likes this.