Who is the H2H Heavyweight GOAT in your opinions? poll

This is the essential difference between ordinary voting (you vote for one out of 10 candidates) and the "Mount Rushmore" way of voting (you vote for 4 out of 10 candidates).
And on my topic, Muhammad Ali is first and Lennox Lewis second, but the results are much, much more precise:
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/h2h-heavyweights-mount-rushmore.717538/

 

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/mount-rushmore-of-hw-punchers.709690/
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/mount-rushmore-of-hw-chins.713014/
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/h2h-heavyweights-mount-rushmore.717538/
In the end I will make a theme "Mount Rushmore of the Mount Rushmores"
We need to joke in a situation that is not funny at all

 

Hey man, **** all this other ****. I respect the **** out of you for this one. Miscommunication is a shared thing.

 

Not having Tyson in is a crime. His disciples would have had him in third place at worst. Should have been in for Vitali. Usyk is a bit premmy too. I'd take Tyson over both he and Fury. Marciano a fair omission - no sub 190 pounder with a 68" reach is going to be the GOAT. Jesus Christ.

Joe Louis belongs as he's notably bigger than Rocky. Rocky's average weight in title fights was 186 1/2 pounds, Louis' average pre war was around 201 pounds. 15 odd pounds is quite function in that 185 - 220 landscape. It's fine against mugs but going against fellow ATG's? Noway Jose.

It's Ali for me by quite a bit with Lewis 2nd so the poll is good for me personally.

 

You think Tyson not being here is bad? Where the **** is Williams??!!!

 

Carl's chin was a bit weak to be there IMO

 

Yes, Tyson was natty.
He smoked some weed, drank alcohol and probably even did some coke, but none of those are PEDs, they were detrimental to him, not helpful.
You can also see how he looked as a teenager, he never needed PEDs. Unlike Roydifield, where the body transformation is obvious.

 

Mike's a genetic freak, of course, but he's also a professional athlete and a professional prizefighter. Stats wise, the majority of those two groups have used PEDs and especially the latter. If he was as willing to put all of those things in his body which you say he took, then what's stopping him from using one more substance which would help him fight better, heal better, and get through hard gym sessions easier? I think you have to be very naive to think that Mike would have never used PEDs, especially since they were much easier to get a hold of and much easier to get away with back then. Everybody was juicing, everybody is juicing, that's just what pro boxing is like.

 

Cus D'Amato and the teaching he instilled into Mike Tyson. Tyson did not believe PEDs make you a better fighter.
In hindsight, we all know they do, he probably does too, but back then, in his prime in the 80s he did not.

 

In his prime it's not unlikely he was still clean I guess but I think post-Buster he stopped being all too concerned what Cus had taught him. I don't imagine Mike had Cus in mind when he was standing in a court, or when he was shooting white powder up his nose, or when he was burning bridges with all the trainers Cus worked with and taking cheques from Don King.

 

Tyson was nowhere near as stupid as you infer.

As with all boxers of his era and since, he will have realised that performance enhancing drugs will enhance his performance.

 

Wlad Klitschko was more consistent than Holmes for a longer period

 

Tyson can't be a contender for H2H number one when he wasn't even the best of his own era. He can't realistically go 0-3 vs Lewis and Holyfield and expect to be in contention for H2H number one when he can't even beat his most capable contemporaries.

It would be like Usyk losing to AJ and Fury and his fans claiming he's H2H the best of all time.

 

Are you having a laugh mate? Tyson was past his prime by the time he fought Holy and flat out shot against Lewis.

 

Holyfield was older than Tyson, and had far far more wear and tear. Absolutely those bouts count when assessing prime vs prime. None of Tyson's performances around that time would suggest he was shot anyway.

Tyson seems like an odd pick given he has 3 prime losses and avenged none of them while not fighting a number of dangerous opponents.