Foreman Vs Bonavena - 1970?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, Aug 1, 2024.

  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2017
    Messages:
    29,454
    Likes Received:
    35,956
    Been watching the first fight between Oscar Bonavena and Frazier.
    God, Oscar was a tough old lad, he really had Joe shaken up.
    Got me musing, what if Oscar had faced the young Foreman in around 1970?

    Is Oscar too brave for his own good here?
     
    Pugguy likes this.
  2. Totentanz.

    Totentanz. Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2024
    Messages:
    1,878
    Likes Received:
    2,256
    It would've been the best Heavyweight slugfest in the 70s.
     
  3. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2024
    Messages:
    8,202
    Likes Received:
    10,672
    I was about ready to say this is a disastrous match up for Bonavena. Rough housing with prime Foreman would have been a terrible mistake…but in 1970!? Frankly I don’t even give Foreman a slim chance. Bonavena was out of his class.
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2024
    mcvey, PRW94 and Fergy like this.
  4. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2022
    Messages:
    6,282
    Likes Received:
    8,601
    Bonavena's bravery is going to get him seriously hurt.
     
    dmt, Devon, Reinhardt and 2 others like this.
  5. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2024
    Messages:
    8,202
    Likes Received:
    10,672
    He won’t be the only one. & I expect Foreman will get the worst of it.
     
    Anubis likes this.
  6. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2024
    Messages:
    2,016
    Likes Received:
    693
    Bonavena went 15 rounds with Lyle and went distance twice with Frazier.

    It would be like Foreman vs Chuvalo but longer.

    TKO in 7th round with Bonavena still standing but beaten in the corner.
     
  7. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2021
    Messages:
    4,178
    Likes Received:
    6,658
    Chuvalo Foreman essentially? He takes it though Bonavena puts up a fight. No short man beats Foreman tho.
     
  8. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,357
    Likes Received:
    12,673
    This was actually considered around '71 I believe, but clearly never came to fruition. One has to take the rose-colored specs off on this one and realize that the Foreman of 70-71 was not the same Foreman who wrecked Frazier in '73. He was a package that was taken along very slowly. And sometimes for good reason. He went a long way on power, without the necessary fundamentals that was being taught to him slowly. But watch his Olympic final win and any of his early contests and one can see his rawness. IMO, if a Bonavena match appeared at that time, I would favor Oscar to bully the bigger man with his - own unique rawness - for a win.
     
  9. Mike Cannon

    Mike Cannon Boxing Addict Full Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2020
    Messages:
    4,127
    Likes Received:
    7,367
    Hi Buddy.
    As always you make some valid and sensible points, ans whilst I agree with your assertion about the rawness of the young Foreman, I cannot see the smaller Bonavena " bullying " his way through this fight, nothing big George liked more than a shorter fighter moving in on him, it would be grist to his mill, at this stage in his career your best chance to survive, nether mind win, would be to stick and move, it most certainly would not be to advance into his huge and heavy swings, I go along with the Chuvalo scenario, Oscar maybe on his feet, but would be taking too many scything hooks from Foreman, either ref steps in, or Oscars compassionate corner throw in the towel. IMO.
    Stay safe scartissue, chat soon matey.
     
    DJN16, Pugguy, Smoochie and 1 other person like this.
  10. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2020
    Messages:
    2,155
    Likes Received:
    3,755
    Yeah George was just learning his trade. Twelve or 18 months later, different story.
     
    Anubis, Smoochie and Ney like this.
  11. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2021
    Messages:
    19,058
    Likes Received:
    21,086
    Foreman would gas Oscar was hell to get rid of and not the fighter he gets described to be you’d think he was Frazier or Chuvalo he wasn’t that hard working from what I remember lol.
    Bonavena had this bizarre jerky tempo lunging in, mauling, wrestling - messy always but he’d spend bizarre stretches on the outside doing “stuff”? Waltzing, rolling, trying to counter in all manner of ways he was schizophrenic lol I hate his style. Someone here once described him as a bull rush artist I agree.
    Anyways GF was someone who only knew how to empty his clip, someone this hard to KO who was strong, dirty and very experienced you’d pass on it as a manger.
     
  12. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,357
    Likes Received:
    12,673
    Which Dick Sadler did when it was proposed
     
    Journeyman92 likes this.
  13. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2024
    Messages:
    2,016
    Likes Received:
    693
    Oscar was strong man asf, there's a picture of him lifting the back of the Mercedes S class which is 2 ton car, quite impressive.
     
    Anubis and Journeyman92 like this.
  14. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2024
    Messages:
    2,016
    Likes Received:
    693
    https://images.app.goo.gl/XzpeEoT6VkDQEFXL6
    Bonavena was a lot stronger than people think, I dont know how many boxer could lift this s class back.
     
    Anubis and Journeyman92 like this.
  15. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2022
    Messages:
    15,364
    Likes Received:
    31,880
    He suffers the same fate as George Chuvalo.
     
    Pugguy, swagdelfadeel and Fergy like this.