Rate Sonny Liston’s wins

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Floyd Patterson 2x
    Cleveland Williams 2x
    Eddie Machen
    Zora Folley
    Nino Valdes
    Mike DeJohn
    Roy Harris
    Johnny Summerlin 2x
    Wayne Bethea
    Henry Clark
    Billy Hunter
    Marty Marshall 2x
     
  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I am not the foremost expert, but based on a mix of ratings and circumstances....

    Patterson 1
    Patterson 2
    Machon
    Foley
    Williams 1
    Williams 2
    Clark
    Valdez
    Harris
    DeJohn
    Bethea
    Summerline 1
    Summerline 2
    Marty Marshall
    Marty Marshall 2

    NOTE: I make the case that Foley was the better man over Machon, but, Machon was ranked higher when Liston beat him, and he had been #1 for like a year and a half under Patterson, whereas Foley only had it for six months or so, so I give Machon the edge. Since foley won the head to head, either way, really.

    Also, I have ranked Cleve' considerably higher than his ratings, and that is because he has developed a sort of legend about him. Narrative is part of a fighter's legacy, and the legacy of everyone who fights him, and that is what it is.
     
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  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Weren't Machen and Folley both number 2 at the time of their respective fights with Liston?
     
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  4. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It could be. I have Foley #3 and Machon #2, but there are only quarterly ratings archived, so when I made my list of Liston's best, there was a little estimation involved. That is according to the NBA.

    Ring magazine had Foley #1 and Machon #3, so there is another reason I could have had Foley on top, but I go by NBA primarily.

    NYSAC rankings are not available that I have found.
     
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