Where would you rank Bud if he clears super-welterweight?

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  1. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    I did answer your question though what are you talking about? The only guys who weren't undisputed in that list are Leonard, Duran, and Mosley but Leonard was undisputed at 147 and 160 while Duran was undisputed at 135 and beat the man who went to be undisputed at welter.
     
  2. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I’d like to see Crawford do it especially as its setting new records,and his resume just like every other fighters can be picked apart or also praised depending on what the reviewers perception of him is,everybody has an opinion and everybody’s is different. As for fighting smaller fighters that’s the system that Crawford fights in,bring back same day weigh ins and that puts an end to it .
     
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  3. alakran

    alakran Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You have to remember, even Broner is a 4 weight champion (not undisputed). It depends on how hot the weight divisions are and I think recently the only divisions that would cement you as a great are cruiserweight, heavyweight and lightweight. That’s why its so irritating that those guys aren’t fighting each other. At least at heavyweight Usyk has cemented himself as a great but lightweight is disappointing.
     
  4. Chitown

    Chitown Active Member Full Member

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    He has a real shot. I think Madrimov was the best fighter in the division and probably Bud's toughest style matchup.

    He would have to beat Vergil, Fundora and/or Murtazaliev. Vergil can be timed and doesn't have gtreat defense even though hes a warrior. Fundora is target practice. Murtazliev just isnt skilled enough.
     
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  5. Scotty Cork

    Scotty Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe in the top 50
     
  6. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    His legacy already has him in the top 15 ATGs.... Some would try to belittle his achievements simply because they are man fans of other greats. But truthfully, legacy is based on your accomplishments and what you are able to do vs your peers. It's ignorant to say he isn't an all time great because you feel he hypothetically wouldn't beat Hearns, or Floyd, or Sugar, etc.... Crawford is more accomplished than 95% of boxers in history....PERIOD.

    -beating 13 world champions with 6 of them being undefeated going into the fight. 2 of them ranked top 5 p4p at the time of the bell.
    -4 division world champion
    -3x Lineal champion
    -2x undisputed champion
    -2x fighter of the year
    -2x ESPY Award winner
    -19 consecutive world title bout victories. 14 of them by stoppage.

    Now we are talking about him unifying a 4th division. I'm going to stick around to hear the same ignorant rants claiming Crawford's road to greatness was somehow "easy" because he beat no one..... Funny how it's so easy, yet no one else who was in each division was able to accomplish the same feats, even when the passage to do so was so much easier for them to get the fights Crawford begged for from Top Rank.
     
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  7. Scotty Cork

    Scotty Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lmao
     
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  8. EJDiaZ

    EJDiaZ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    LMAO
     
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  9. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    if all these youngsters at 154 fight each other and bud ends up on top? that would be pretty impressive. maybe he could be mentioned in the company that he'd like to be. but it's a tall order. 154 is now the premier division. 154 > every other division
     
  10. Smoochie

    Smoochie Boxin' dreamer Full Member

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    I agree with you but imo super-welter rn is pretty good

    QUOTE="Pepsi Dioxide, post: 23013636, member: 123526"]Going to be difficult to do fighting once a year[/QUOTE]

    My thoughts as well

    Japanese are doing a pretty good job below and they aren't so bad imo
     
  11. humbug

    humbug In Vino Veritas Full Member

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    154 pounds has close to 10 world class operators, it's the most stacked division in boxing currently, full of young hungry bulls in their prime. If he can unify, it would be more impressive than unifying 147 and 140 pounds.

    Crawford is 37 years old, he could get old overnight in his next fight.

    I don't think he'll be able to unify due to his age.
     
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  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Somewhere above Floyd but below Pac imo
     
  13. Smoochie

    Smoochie Boxin' dreamer Full Member

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    Eh bro (past-it) De la Hoyayo, (green) Clenelolose and (post-prime) Cotto are still sum nice scalps despite the asterisks at that weight
     
  14. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This,,,, 38 year olds aren't going to clean out any division. He'll probably only fight 2 ,at most 3 more times depending on results , as you say he could walk into the ring with a younger man and get old.
     
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  15. JusABoxinFan

    JusABoxinFan Active Member Full Member

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    Mmmmm premier division? Based on what exactly....

    The light heavyweight and super middle are pretty close in talent as well. Some would argue the lightweight division is pretty close in the level of competition.
     
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