Joe Joyce's career should be looked at positively

Reading the comments here I can tell that the vast majority of people here don't really watch much boxing.

Who did Zhang knock out? Joyce? The same Joyce who got knocked down by a ancient Derek Chisora. The same Chisora who couldn't hurt natural 200 pound cruiser weight David Haye.

Wait Zhang knocked out shop warn Deontay Wilder. The same Wilder who got beat from pillar to post by Fury for cying out loud.

Zhang couldn't eveu beat Jerry Forrest a guy known for having a weak chin. But you think he would beat the much more skilled Ken Norton?

Zhang couldn't even beat Joseph Parker for crying out loud. The same Parker who got beat by Dillian Whyte. The same Parker who struggled to beat Junior Fa. The same Fa who got knocked out in 1 round by ancient Lucas Browne.

Zhang is slow, he is out of shape, Him being a southpaw wouldn't matter to any legit top heavyweight from the 70s, 80s, 90s or early 2000s, You bringing up a amateur Larry Holmes losing to a southpaw means something?

Well I can play that game too. Joyce was stopped 3 times in the first round as a 27 year old amateur. Amateurs fight with bigger gloves and headgear. Joyce was still stopped 3 times in the first round as a grown man. So how is Zhang knocking out a 37 year old Joyce impressive?

In any case Joyce was never anything special. He was slow beyond slow. he comes in the ring way heavier than she should but so does Fury, Zhang, Dillian Whyte, Parker, Bakole and most of these other heavyweights these days. If Zhang or Joyce would of fought in the 70's they would of had a record like Jack O'Halloran who was also 6'6 but in much better shape.

 

Yeah I don’t think he has a place now he is a liability as a gatekeeper he eats too many flush shots he will end up seriously hurt if he gets used in that way, he doesn’t have to much mental capacity to lose in the first place so let him crack on with his paintings.
He is an accident waiting to happen

 

Who did Dubois ever knock out? Overweight PED cheat Jarrell Miller? You have to kncok out somebody good and durable before you can say you have world class power. Zhang couldn't knock out Forrest but he is knocking out Norton? Zhang couldn't knockout 5'9 190 pound Eric George, Zhang couldn't knock out Juan Goode, Goode actually knocked down Zhang, Zhang couldn't knock out Rodney Hernandez but he is knocking out Norton? Yeah I am done typing to you

 

You know actual CWs don't weigh 200lbs in the ring, right dimbulb?

 

Shavers never KOed anyone good known for their durability.

 

You really gonna compare Parker to those two? Now I know you're trolling.

You wanna live in the 70s I'll leave you to it bud. The rest of us will carry on in 2024.

 

Well clearly it didn't that's why Chisora won a clear decision and the vast majority agreed with it.

Joyce only landed 19 more punches overall and that edge was mostly due to the final few rounds when Chisora was dead tired.

Had Joyce stayed on his feet he would've had a good argument to winning. But he lost too many of the early rounds and the knockdown hurt him badly in the scoring.

Chisora landed 36 percent of his power punches compared to only 26 for Joyce. And as I said that's what won Chisora the fight the cleaner more effective eye catching shots.

 

Lol it is okay little kid. There are always people like you on these boxing forums. Everything you say is completely wrong but you think you no what you are talking about.

You want some more funny when I am dismissing you. Wladimir Klitschko turned pro in the 1990's. Wladimir Klitschko was knocked out by Ross Purrity a journeyman fighter from the 1980's and Corrie Sanders a C level fighter from the 1980's. Yet Wladimir Klitschko is the best fighter that Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua beat. Then you also realize neither one of these guys could beat Wlad like Sanders did. Both Fury and Joshua struggled against a 40/41 year old Wlad. But yeah fighters are better now because say so right?

Deontay Wilder was champion for 5 years throwing windmill punches. So skilled right. Also Wilder weighed 210-214 pounds. Joe Joyce throws punches like he is underwater. But he is so skilled right? Tyson Fury throws slapping arm punches and can't even land 30 percent of his punches in most fights. He actually only landed 17 percent of his punches against the slow stationary Fransesco Pianeta. Charles Martin and Bermaine Stiverve have won held the belts, Ruslan Chagaev was actually champion since 2010. Amazing talent right?

This is the only era where fighters are still considered prospects into their late 30's like Zhang and Joyce were. 2 guys pushng 40 and are still prospects. This is the only era where beating a 40 year old fighter gets you praise. Lol Joseph Parker beat a old 38 year old Wilder who was never good and 41 year old Zhang and people act like Parker is a special fighter now.

Then there are the people like you who live in this fantary world where you can't understand the difference betweeen being big and being overweight. In the 70's there were tons of guys who were 6'5 plus, Be it Al Jones 6'6 230-240, Leroy Jones 6'5 250, Roy "Tiger" Williams 6'5 230/240. Horst Giesler 6'6 260. Bobe Renfrow 6'7 250-280, Calvin Cross 6'6 240, Jimmy Abbott 6'5 250-300 pounds, Chuck Wepner 6'5 230, Gerry Cooney 6'5 230. Jack O'Halloran 6'6 240, Bernt August 6'6 220, James J Beattie 6'9 240-250 and I could go on. Even in the 1990's you had tons of 6'5 plus guys, Lance Whitaker 6'8 260, Michael Grant 6'7 250, Jorge Luis Gonzales, 6'7 250, Mike White 6'10 300 pounds, Stanley Wright 6'10 280, Henry Akinande 6'7 240 and again I could go. The main difference was these guys were in shape for the most part while guys like Tyson Fury, Joe Joyce, Bakole, Zhang are clearly out of shape

Even guys shorter than 6'5 are out of shape, Andy Ruiz, Bermaine Stiverne, Dillian Whyte, Chisora, are out of shape. The funny thing is even Michael Hunter 6'1 210 pound guy who beat Bakole the 6'6 260 plus pound guy is out of shape. Hunter has love handles. Every legit champion from Ali, Foreman, Norton, to Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, and Bowe were in shape in their primes.

But hey you can live in your world where boxing is better now and the guys ae bigger now because a YouTube video told you so. I will live in the world where the current era for heavyweights is a joke, nobody watches it and the skill level is horrible.

 

In the 1980s and 1990s people called the eras horrible and criticized the lack of skill. You had guys like Bowe, Mercer, Tubbs coming into fights horribly out of shape. Guys like Riddick with poor defensive having success as well as an old, slow Foreman who was out of shape.

Bowe sure didn't look in shape for the Holyfield rematch or the first Golota fight

 

Bowe was considerably alot more skilled than fighters like Bakole and Joyce as was Tubbs who had some of the fastest handspeed in Heavyweight history.

 

How do you feel he was protected?
His debut was against Ian Lewison
Undefeated Dubious in his 12th fight where many weren't picking Joyce
Parker in his 15th fight

That doesn't look protected imo

 

He’s got a better resume than wilder.

 

Plenty of todays fighters are better than Bowe defensively. Moreover Joyce was never champ and has like two quality wins. Joyce briefly cracking the top 10 is only a indictment of the current era if you think he loses to guys from other eras with similar accomplishments.