How exactly does Tyson beat Ali...?

This is the most descriptive post on how this fight would go. I believe it was Emanual Steward who said basically the same thing about Tyson,,

 

You do realize there are weight classes in boxing right? Tyson got his buck kicked by a 6'3 230 pound heavyweight in Buster Douglas. Ali was almost knocked out by a 180 pound guy. Doug Jones a 180 pound guy should of got the nood over Ali. As I said no 180 pound ifghter was knocking down a prime Tyson and causing him to win a close gift decision. If these guys could hurt Ali then so could Tyson. The main difference is when Tyson lands his best punch Ali wouldn't be getting up. I know what you will say but Ali handled Foreman's power right? Give me the round where Foreman was landing flush punches to Ali's chin. Foreman was throwing wild punches with rage but he wasn't landing flush on the chin. It is kind of like the Douglas vs Tyson fight. Tyson was getting destroyed and he wasn't landing his normal punches on Douglas until that knockdown in the 8th round.

But anyway it is funny how you people act like some fighters can't be beat even though they lost. Then when they do lose you will make excuses. Tyson and Ali fans are both the same way with how they both pretend Ali and Tyson were past their primes when they lost. Tyson was 23/24 when Douglas beat him and Ali was 29 when Frazier beat him. No other boxer was past their primes at 23/29 besides Tyson and Ali apparently.

 

It is very obvious you haven’t read my opinion of this match but are happy to presume it.

I’ll take getting knocked down momentarily by Henry Cooper (which didn’t happen when a prime Ali fought him again, mind) over getting shut out & KO’d by Buster Douglas, thanks.

 

Tyson was more skilled.

 

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LOL.

 

Don't treat boxers as characters from computer games - a basic mistake. everyone has their own life, different periods, injuries, problems, health, etc. I had a friend who, at the age of 18, was in the country's national team in athletics, and at the age of 25, he was a physical and mental wreck with addictions, whom I would surpass. does that mean he wasn't that good at 18? He was much, much better than me.
If you don't see a difference in Tyson's form from the fight with Douglas and Berbick, you don't see much

 

If you've deliberately misspelt Muhammad Ali there, fair play to you, most will miss that.

 

He doesn't, there's no scenario I see him beating Ali. Ali was too fast of hand and foot, too durable, too strong and aggressive in the clinch, his jab was too good and too fast and his chin was too good.

He'd have Tyson in hell stylistically

 

Wrong. Does Holyfield 2 ring a bell ?!??
Plus all title matches have pressure.

Tyson was never bothered by this.

Tyson still got past their jab often enough and won those matches.

That was an unprepared Tyson who had turmoils in his personal life.

Chuvalo was nowhere near as good as Tyson in terms of body punching.
Same for Foreman. He had huge power, but lacked the punching speed, variety, selection and accuracy of Tyson. When Ali layed on the ropes, Foreman kept doing the same things like an idiot and gassed out. Replace 74 Foreman with 88 Tyson, while Ali lays on the ropes, and Ali is dead meat, Tyson obliterates him.

What you fail to mention is that Frazier was in many ways a very limited boxer. First of all, he only had 1 power punch, the left hook.
Second, he was partially blind in one eye since the late 60s. Despite those limitations, Frazier still beat Ali in their 1st fight.
In their 2nd battle, Ali kept holding Frazier’s head throughout the entire fight (a foul but never any warnings much less point deductions from the referee) thereby taking away Frazier’s inside fight game, and got the decision.
In the 3rd fight, Frazier came in about seven pounds over his best weight and was already completely blind in one eye. Also, his style was not meant for longevity. Despite that, he still gave Ali hell for 15 rounds. Ali was about to quit in the 15th round. Had Eddie Futch not thrown the towel, Ali might not have gotten up and subsequently would have lost the fight.

Prime Tyson was disciplined and had the patience to time Ali. And if lands like Cooper or Frazier did, it's lights out for Ali, Tyson will finish him off.

No, this is a stupid and meaningless argument.

No, these are great arguments. If you're struggling and you're down, it means you're notas good to begin with.

Those are the exception cause for rest of the fights where he struggled wheren't in his prime.

In all of those fights, Ali fought inferior opposition to that of Tyson when he struggled.
Holyfield and Lewis are far better than anyone Ali struggled with in the 70s.

Prime Tyson had multiple fights where he fought well from start to finish. He had no problem going the distance.

No it's not. Tyson has the stylistical advantage.

Prime Ali was prone to mistakes. He only needs to slip up once and Tyson sends him to dreamland.

The most likely scenario is a Tyson win on points.

 

HORSE****. Prime Tyson had countless matches where he went the distance and won, fighting well the entire fight.

Again, HORSE****. These are baseless myths that are simply not true. Tyson faced plenty of adversity in his prime, he always prevailed.
Post prison Tyson, who no longer had the heart for boxing, was the one who did not give it his 100%.

Stupid argument. A boxer being behind means he's not good enough.

Baseless myth. Tyson wouldn't give a **** about Ali's talking.

 

Patterson had an injured back in this bout, more specifically the sacroiliac joint, it makes a world of difference.

WRONG.

Best Tyson can do is send Ali to dreamland via KO.

Horsehit. Jones and Cooper prove otherwise.

Folley was a bum compared to Tyson skill wise, and he lacked the stylistic advantage Tyson has over Ali.

Wrong. Tyson will slip the jab and counter. He will also catch Ali with the left hook.

 

You're clueless. It's Tyson who has the stylistical advantage. And if bums like Jones, Cooper and Chuvalo could land on Ali, imagine what Tyson does to him.

 

Tyson beats any version of Ali.