125 days till Tyson Fury cements himself alongside Oleksandr Usyk

Excuses excuses!

Usyk was sparring 15 x 5 minute rounds & swims for 5 hours at a time,Fury will have to better that to have any chance against the "little gappy toothed middleweight"

I wouldn't hold my breath Miniq

 

There is no "to an extent", it is completely subjective. Hence the reason why true robberies exist, right? All the best to you.

 

This is where you are 100% 180 degrees incorrect. There are metrics for scoring a fight. I am not the kind of guy who tells people they don't know about boxing, but if you actually think it is 100% subjective, you are wrong and you need to take a look at it.

Effective agression
Clean/Hard punching
Defense
Ring generalship
Knockdowns/point dedcutions

Usyk landed more punches AND power punches in 7 rounds, meaning that no case can be made for any category for Fury winning. Fury won 4 in the same manner, and there was one round where the split the categories...THAT is the round your subjectivity comes in.

Usyk additionally got a knockdown for an extra point.

 

You're hilarious!

Usyk obviously was tired after 12 rounds especially taking punches from someone who outweighs you by more than 3 stone (despite being a natural cruiserweight who has to put on 20lbs to compete at heavyweight & being older than Fury) but was never going to run out of stamina.If he can do 15 x 5 minute competitive spars then he'll have no problem going the distance in a 12 x 3 minute round fights against much larger opposition.

According to you Usyk was an "over the hill cruiserweight amateur with no power arm punches & would be mauled to death" but the over the hill cruiserweight outboxed,outfought & battered him into a bloody mess & bounced him off 3 of the 4 ropes like a pinball,had him hurt like he's never been hurt before & almost knocked out.Fury was lucky that knockdown happened right at the end of the round because if it was 30 seconds earlier he would've been ko'd & luckily for him,Fury has remarkable powers of recovery

Me diminishing Fury does not diminish Usyk in any way shape or form whatsoever,in fact it makes his achievement that more incredible to beat someone who had significantly height,weight & reach advantages in the manner that he did & almost ko'ing him in the process.

Personally I've always thought Fury to be overated ever since John McDermott got robbed in their first fight & always thought Usyk had his number should they ever fight & despite Fury ducking/ageing him out for a few years & having a 6 month training camp & being in his best shape for years,he still couldn't get the job done & won't in the rematch either should it happen & if it does,Fury doesn't see the 12 round imho.

Usyk lives rent free in Furys head because he can't intimidate him,upset him,bother him in any way shape or form & he can't stand it.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

 

If that is what you believe to be true, more power to you. The thing is, it is ALL subjective. Every single item you listed is awarded through a judges interpretation of what they see. What you listed are guidelines to scoring. This isn't basketball where you can see the scoreboard. What are the people awarding scores called? JUDGES, they are personally judging what they see and that is based off of scoring guidelines.

Effective agression - This is the judge's opinion of who had effective aggression. This is not measurable. Subjective.
Clean/Hard punching - another opinion of who had cleaner/harder punches. You can pull up any punch stats you want, which are of course debatable and the judges don't have access to them. Subjective.
Defense - do you get where I am going with this? Subjective.
Ring generalship - Rinse and repeat, subjective.
Knockdowns/point dedcutions - This is as close as it gets to facts, but even then judges will screw it up sometimes.

Look I know you are bent on saying Usyk blew Fury away and that's cool, I thought it was close but clear. You need to learn that the entire sport revolves around people's interpretation of events, and the judges are the epicenter of that. Enjoy the fights.

 

It's not what I believe, it is what it. And you are correct in that there is a corruption and a judge if free to give a round to whomever they want, but by acting this is as it should be, you are part of the problem with the sport.

Please study the categories of boxing scoring.

 

Look man, I am trying to be polite. It is all subjective, to say otherwise simply shows you either don't know what that word means, or don't understand judging. What one judge sees is different to what another judge sees while using the same criteria for scoring. What would you call that? In your world every single fight would be scored the same by everyone, guess what, it is all about interpretation. Why even have three judges??

 

It's not all subjective, and I don't give a bucket of warm **** if you are polite.

Good luck to you.

 

Well now you are just twisting words because you can't admit that you learned something. I didn't say it was all subjective. There is scoring criteria that rounds are JUDGED by.

 

You are absolutely correct it is totally subjective. The judging part that is.

 

There is nothing to learn. You give yourself WAY too much credit for knowledge that you don't have. Scoring is completely subjective in the sense that anything in this world is subjective, but that is for a philosophy class. To the rest of us on a BOXING website, we speak of the actual criteria for scoring a fight.

From your...I am sorry...completely imbecilic take, any fight that is not a knockout can be scored any way, and that is just plain sad and wrong.

 

That's cool. So if a fighter lands more punches in a round, it is a fact that they won the round right?

 

You have just demonstrated that you have not even read what I have tried to teach you.

No, but if he lands more punches AND more power punches, and there are no knockdowns or point deductions, then no argument can be made against him. He has won on both effective aggression, and clean/hard punching, and his opponent cannot claim to have demonstrated defense when he has not avoided the punches, or ring generalship when he lost in ever other category.

Usyk won seven rounds in this fashion, Fury four, and there was one in which they split categories...as we have already reviewed.