Ray Mercer would blow Rocky Marciano's back out change my mind

Styles aren't as rigid as you think, since an experienced and versatile fighter will adjust depending on their opponent.

Also, Ossie wasn't an ultra defensive fighter. He was an aggressive fighter, who knew his way around the ring, but against the wrong competition could be forced to go on defensive like he did against Holyfied, who admittedly in top form could make even the best heavyweights think twice about getting too reckless or aggressive with him. In both fights against an older Holyfield Lennox wasn't willing to risk going for the kill.

As for your assessment on Marciano. If he was as one dimensional as you say he would've never went undefeated during his career and he definitely wouldn't have held on to the title like he did. Also, a smaller and lighter fighter can get the upper hand on a bigger and stronger fighter while fighting on the inside, which was something Marciano excelled at.

 

Jackomano is talking out of his arse

I have film of Keene Simmons and he looks atrocious. He pressures his opponents without throwing any punches or displaying a semblance of defense. He is essentially a swarmer who doesn’t swarm LOL

 

Keene Simmons being described as “exceptional”.

I think I’ve seen it all!

 

I've seen footage of his fights with Brion, LaStarza, Cleveland Williams, Charley Norkus, Charlie Powell, and a short highlight of his Marciano fight. I've also seen footage of some of his service bouts, since he was a very in demand amateur in the early 40's, but the war limited his management prospects. My teacher Big George Giambastiani, who turned pro around the same time as Simmons and was also a service champion like Simmons talked about 1939-1945 being a very bad time be a professional prospect, since managers weren't willing to risk investing in developing a fighter.

 

Ocasio an aggressive fighter ? Are you for real ? Have you watched his fights ?

I never said Marciano is a one dimensional fighter I said his aggressive style short reach and being undersized isn't suited to fighting big Heavyweights who are 40 and 50 pounds bigger. A 185 pound Cruiserweight with a 67 inch isn't over powering modern Heavyweights.

 

Easy. Several reasons y a fighter may seem to gain weight or they did. Someone like Haye was prob weight draining to make cruiser, it’s like asking u did Archie Moore gain weight for heavyweight he didn’t he just didn’t try to lose any. It’s obvious it’s their more natural weight when not trying to make weight. Secondly today fighters can and do gain functional mass. If Marciano were fighting today like Holyfield or Moorer or Byrd or whomever u want to name r able to get a lot more functional mass through PEDs and weight lifting then they were able to do 60s down. They would b fools not to take advantage. Being able to do the same things u were able to do at 185 as at 205 like Holyfield is a blessing of modern tech. The added weight is a give and take w benefit. Usyk in reality barely gained any weight so he was able to do what he normally does. He gained a few more points to make it harder for Fury to push him around but he wasn’t foolish like Tua or others who gained way too much weight against bigger opponents. It’s not necessary to cancel ur speed and stamina to compete w bigs. Holyfield’s trainers thought he was best at 206
For example. Gaining the extra weight was starting to have negative affects.

I don’t know enough about Spinks weight natural or otherwise to comment. But Byrd had problems losing weight and wanted more money anyway for fighting heavy.

 

Wait there’s more Marciano footage out there?

 

Because that’s the only points u people r making. There is zero all about Mercers career, abilities, talent, style, etc that would make a Marciano bout even close. U r over hyping his ability. He wasn’t that good. He’s not a top 50 HW I don’t think he’s a top 75 HW.

 

The guy you’re arguing for doesn’t have the quality.

 

I don’t think these people have watched much Mercer. I don’t want to insult the man he had great heart a great chin and he was always game. But he didn’t have the talent. His footwork was poor as was his stamina as was his defense and combo throwing. Not sure who they think this man is. He had heart so he made interesting fights w anyone but he didn’t win against big time fighters

 

I made many points regarding Mercer's skill during his absolute peak and the fact that he was bigger, stronger, and heavier than Marciano simply added on to all of that. If I say, "They're reducing our argument to exclusively be about size and weight", obviously telling you that you're not fully understanding what I'm trying to say, and you go, "Because that's the only points u people r making.", you're being willfully ignorant.

 

What u described as Mercer doesn’t exist. He didn’t bully anyone to the ropes often unless they went there. He just didn’t throw enough punches for that to happen. He did try to get Lewis to the ropes but Lewis didn’t mind sitting in the ropes because he was comfortable there. Marciano is not Lewis. If an out of shape Morrison had Mercer weezing by round two in his best win I don’t think he will make the final buzzer against Marciano. He was literally a standard target who liked to sit in the middle of the ring. He was a lesser version of Rex Layne. He had a better chin but slower feet and hands. Same kind of style. Marciano was tailor made for those guys.

 

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, here. I've spent a bit too long arguing about this, and I think it's obvious that nobody's budging. I don't feel like making the same points over and over.

 

This thread has destroyed a family.

 

That interesting because Box Rec only credits him with 1 amateur fight which he lost.

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