Anthony joshua is one of the biggest frauds in boxing

It's quite funny really...

He chased Wilder for years, Wilder ducked as hard as possible.

Showed plenty of willingness to fight Fury - Fury wasn't interested.

Did fight Usyk, twice, and showed improvements in the second.

Did fight Parker.
Did fight Wlad.
Did fight Povetkin.


If there's any fight it's even remotely fair to say Joshua ducked, realistically it's a rematch with Whyte... And it's a stretch.


You look at his last four fights and they're a mixed bag...

Ngannou was highly rated for giving Fury problems - yes Fury was lazy and out of shape, but Ngannou did as well (and in some ways better) against a less rusty Fury than Wilder's best showing against Fury (the first fight).
The only reason Ngannou gets seen as a soft touch now is because of how easily Joshua dealt with him.

Wallin is a reasonable gatekeeper, should've won against Fury (on cuts) and caused Fury a few problems, despite comfortably losing on points once you give Fury a pass for the cuts... Again, it's only since Joshua dominated him in much easier fashion than Fury did that Wallin became a bum.


Both Wallin and Ngannou were going to beat Joshua before the fights, if you listened to the delusional Fury/Wilder fanboi hypetrains... Until they got beat with ease, then they became trash.


Yea Franklin and Helenius ain't anything too hot, but every other fighter gets a pass for taking a couple of light touches after a loss.

 

Not a fan of AJ but he is definitely not a fraud. To say so is pure hyperbole. He's an elite fighter.

 

Bakole, Kabayel, Zhang all would have been good fights

 

I for one think he is a very good fighter and very exciting to watch.

Exhibit one: his fight with Klitschko.

He is like the Heavyweight version of Naseem Hamed. Very exciting, hard hitting but without a chin.

Of course, back in the 90s, Hamed was the Spice Girls of boxing: he was out there, he was British, he had a playful, I dont care if you care attitude which I absolutely loved because..if you read my write up on my "best 90s song?" thread about the group I was hanging out with, you'll see I was like that too so I loved Hamed (and the Spice Girls and of course, -to a degree-Marilyn Manson and Eminem) well you know so ...

No, I dont think Joshua is a fraud. He has no chin but that's not his fault.

He is a great fighter. Limited..but everyone has limitations. Even Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson and Roberto Duran and Julio Cesar Chavez Sr and Henry Armstrong and Archie Moore (my mount Rushmore of boxing) were not perfect.

 

AJ will be remembered as a minor ATG. He'll finish as at least a three-time titlist with a string of very credible wins.

 

He's not as good as some make him out to be but he is also not as bad as some make him out to be.
For me he is number 3 behind Usyk and Fury until something changes.

 

AJ fans struggle with these types of reality posts.

The sick thing is that Matchroom suits and analysts sit around and work out just how much protection they can get away with and still sell their fraud to the masses. They are habitually surprised at just how easy it is to play them.

For instance they still can't believe they managed to avoid Wilder on two Arab shows, and brand Wallin as a dangerous opponent because years ago he cut Fury. But it actually worked.

Then they put old Helenius in and people and pundits literally celebrated AJ for that win and for 'improving' (because Helenius beat the fat Pole before getting KO'd by Wilder, and also because Helenius was busted for PEDs).

You can't make this up. They're just sitting around conference tables laughing at AJ fans on a daily basis.

 

Outside of Franklin for his confidence builder and Wallin (technically top ten at the time), there's no real excuse as to why he hasn't faced better opponents for 2/4 of his last fights. Ngannou was a 0-1 novice and Helenius got sparked in one by the same Wilder everyone likes to trash.

Why not rematch Parker? Or fight Hrgovic, Zhang etc? There's taking a couple of light touches, and there's hiding behind them while you wait for an easy belt.

 

Those weren't top notch fights by any stretch, but they are on par with Fury's entire career. In totality, AJ has the far better resume than Fury's.

 

Agreed. People go hard on AJ now because he won those fights fairly easily. But he was merely taking common opponents from the guy - at that time - believed by many to be the number 1 in the division to put pressure on him.
Could he have faced better opposition after the Usyk losses? Yes, although I think comeback fights against Franklin and Helenius were understandable. He wasn't a champion remember. But I don't blame him for Wallin and Ngannou - they were (arguably) softer touches legitimized by Fury, so save your ire for him. AJ at least handled them both properly (Wallin, in fairness, is a periphery guy. Ngannou is not).

 

I want to see Martin Bakole vs Agit Kabayel.

 

Dubious will chin him

AJ will pull out possibly

 

Exactly right.

Whyte beats Franklin, but the masses say Franklin got robbed, so Joshua fights him (similar to how Vitali fought Chisora instead of Helenius).

Whyte's complaining he's been ducked, so Joshua then lines up Whyte, who was a recent opponent of Fury, but Whyte pops dirty. So he lines up Helenius on a few weeks notice (a recent opponent of Wilder).

Wilder had been inactive, though, busy not fighting Ruiz Jr. So Saudis give him Parker, who many expect him to beat. At the same time Joshua is matched with Wallin, who was coming off a dominant win over Gassiev and had the shine from his fight with Fury. Perfect build up to Joshua v Wilder.

Wilder loses. Joshua wins. Oh well...

So they pivot into the Ngannou fight. Maybe at that stage he could have fought Parker or Zhang instead, but
someone needed to clear up Fury's embarrassing performance, and it fell to Joshua.

He fights Dubois next. It seems like a good fight

 

It's funny how boxing fans overrate and underrate some of the boxers, by only one-two fights.

For them AJ was trash after Usyk, but after ufc guy, he is top again.

 

that describes literally nobody. another horrible take.