Educate me: Cleveland “BigCat” Williams

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  1. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So it proves that you were LYING when you claimed Holy "couldn't take punches anymore" at the time he fought Toney. He continued to show a solid chin for years after that fight & was never dropped or stopped again for the remainder of his career.

    Tyson couldn't beat that Holy either & was stopped by him - was he "not a real HW" too?
     
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    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Against whom?
    Holy didn't face any good fighter like Tyson or Lewis so he could prove he could stil fight hard and take it aswell.

    Yeah 7 before he fought Toney and was already past prime when fought Tyson from Bowe wars.
     
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    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So you're admitting that a HW had to be good in order to test Holy's chin? That would completely undermine everything you've tried to argue about Toney being "not a real HW" since he was the only HW during that time frame that succeeded in cracking Holy's chin.

    & Holy did fight good fighters during that time - he twice challenged for a title, including 1 fight where he was outweighed by 100 lb, & went the distance both times w/o ever being floored or in danger of being stopped.
     
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    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    How is this still going on…
     
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    Totentanz. Gator Wrestler Extraordinaire banned Full Member

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    An unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
     
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    Washed up Holyfield did what now?
     
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    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Went life and death ;)
     
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    That'a like if you said Berbick is good heavy becauae he beat Ali even knowing he was faded and washed feom punches.
    Cracking Holyfield chin?
    You didn't watch Bowe fights if you think Toney first cracked Holyfield chin.

    Holy at that time couldn't beat Valuev, he was washed asf.
     
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    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Nothin, beat no one.

    Name me one good win of Holyfield after 1996... if you can.
     
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    You posted a "washed up Holyfield went life and death with Tunney". I don't recall that fight, personally. Was it a good contest?
     
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    You haven't seen "The Eternal Count" bout?
    It was a classic for the ages.
     
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    That's Tunney vs Douglas.
     
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    Ah, I mixed it up with the "Tumble in the Jungle", both were bangers
     
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    Mistake...you don't make them?
    What about Swag calling 34 pro fights fighter not experienced, isn't that even bigger mistake?
     
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    "You never got me down, Buster."
     
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