VIDEO - Can Fury win the Usyk rematch?

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  1. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Usyk will only be 7 months older than when he won the first fight. Fury will be 7 months older too.
     
  2. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    But fighters who rely on speed and reflexes often decline at that age, Fury is younger and he relies on his size (height and most importantly, reach) and strength, which will be the same. Usyk had some problems with Fury's long arms in rounds 4 to 6, although he adapted by round 8.

    That being said, I think Usyk will prevail.
    It wouldn't surprise me if Fury backs out, perhaps fakes an injury.
     
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  3. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Fury shows up, Usyk shocks the world and stops him cold. Oleksandr the Great knows what he has to do, now, and a career of booze, coke, PEDs, obesity, and the battles against McDermott, Cunningham, Wilder, Wallin, and Usyk himself are going to catch up at Fury all at once.

    All of you jokers who said Fury was too big...we told you Usyk throws too many punches, is too smart and too southpaw. Fury has no new advantage coming in. None.

    If Fury is smart, he ought to just hang them up.

    I told everyone that Fury was terrified of the man since this night:

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    And this one. Anyone can see how Fury was rattled, and Usyk...bored:

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    This was obvious:

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  4. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I haven’t watched the video but my assessment is yes Fury can win the rematch. Will he, who knows. The first fight was not an easy fight for Usyk. Consider Fury still has the same big advantages that he had in first fight. I scored the fight 7-5 Usyk plus KD. If Fury is in shape - a big if - I see another close bout, but a match that Usyk will be in danger through out. His margin of error is smaller than Furys. It’s harder to avoid Fury’s punches for Usyk than it is for him against guys like Joshua and Dubois. At 37 years of age it’s not going to be easy night to get through a grinding fight a second time. If Fury shows up as fat slob it’s over for him, or if his chin is cracked it’s over for him as well. But if chin is good and Tyson in shape it’s a 50/50 match.
     
  5. BrainyBoxer

    BrainyBoxer Active Member Full Member

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    He can. I'm worried this time that Usyk isn't taking it as seriously as he seems to be busy taking selfies with celebrities and making movies whereas you have hardly seen Fury since the loss. I want Usyk to win though because I'm sick of people making excuses for Fury losing.
     
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  6. KO_King

    KO_King Horizontal Heavyweight Full Member

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    I haven't liked Furys personality or conduct in recent years. His dodging of the Usyk fight in favour of pointless cash grabs was pretty shameful. And he got his just desserts in the first fight, IMO.
    That said, I don't underestimate him. No he isn't the 'greatest heavyweight ever' (which I always thought was a ridiculous statement). But, on his day, he's a dangerous fighter who uses his size well and has good ring IQ. So I think you can't count him out. But I have Usyk as a reasonable favourite (slightly more than I did going into the first fight, though I did think Usyk would win that). He has shown he can win already - and has always shown the capacity to go into another gear when faced with new adjustments from his opponents.
    As an aside I didn't really want to see this rematch. I would far rather Fury fight AJ next to decide the number 3. And Usyk either move on or retire, as he is getting older and risks losing some of what he's gained.
     
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  7. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yes he certainly can
     
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  8. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Usyk will be nearly 38, has gotten noticeably slower and threw far less punches against fury in the first fight which gives fury a good chance.
    Hopefully being the champion means that Usyk doesn’t get stung on the cards when it was clear in the first fight that Turki badly wanted belly to win to set up the Joshua fight.
     
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  9. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It would be interesting to know if Usyk threw less volume to capitalize on power, or if he is simply getting older and needs to conserve more energy.

    Did Usyk throw less against AJ in the second fight as well?
     
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  10. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The difference is 100+ punches thrown. Admittedly yes some of that could be down to a different approach to a different fighter however I think it’s too much to solely attribute to that. To me his upper body movement also visually seems to be noticeably slower.
     
  11. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you're putting power into your punches that will typically slow you down a bit body movement wise.
     
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  12. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk is most definitely in decline, but from a very high place.

    For me the biggest 2 factors in this are

    1) how focussed / distracted is Usyk with the whole movie thing, and having 'ascended Everest' will he have the same fire/determination?
    2) How determined is Fury really to avenge the loss, will he put in the real work and sort his corner out?

    Whilst I would never write Fury off, I think this is more Usyk's to lose than Fury's to win, and if Usyk - who has never shown any signs of being anything other than a consumate professional - put in his work and focusses 100% on December 21st I wouldvery much expect him to emerge as the victor. Usyk has even noted a couple of times in post-fight interviews that he felt he made 'more mistakes than usual' that he can rectify in the return. Additionally, Fury is now a known quantity for Usyk, and for such a high-IQ fighter, that makes it a really big ask for Fury.

    On the other hand, for Fury, I feel his best route to victory is what Rummy has suggested - be physical early, maul Usyk and aim to score one of those hurtful uppercut shots he was having success with - but then follow up, and look for the stoppage. But that is a tall order against such an elusive operator!
     
  13. Smoochie

    Smoochie Boxin' dreamer Full Member

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  14. oldcanvasback

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    Unfortunately I think Turki is still very keen on Fury - Joshua
     
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  15. oldcanvasback

    oldcanvasback Active Member Full Member

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    Fury landed a lot of hard right hands to Usyk's body and they looked to hurt Oleksandr more than any fight I can remember.
    Fury needs to make that a focus, maybe eat a few shots early so he can start slowing Usyk earlier,
    Usyk probably doesn't want to get hit to the body so often so I look forward to seeing how he deals with that.
    I thought Fury looked pretty fit last time but maybe I'm wrong.
    Mentally Tyson's looked haunted since Ngannou. He used to win all the trash talk, but now he looks shaken.
    Usyk still had that extra gear last time—the ability to go above and beyond for about three rounds and change the course of the fight.

    Close fight last time, anything could happen this time. I'm looking forward to it.
     
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