H2H top 5 flyweights

It's pretty Wilde that the best FlyW ever hasn't been mentioned even once yet.

 

I see what you did there. And yes I agree.

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What about Wilde's skills in the 3 (I think its 3?) films we have of him makes you so confident that he's easily better h2h than Gonzales, Canto, Johnson, etc?

 

Without thinking about it too much; and limiting myself to those with full fights available at the poundage. I think these are the best flyweights I've ever seen.

#01. Miguel Canto
#02. Fighting Harada
#03. Masao Oba
#04. Roman Gonzalez
#05. Santos Laciar

That fifth spot could really belong to half a dozen different guys. Accavallo, Ebihara; the Thai guys like Chonoi, Chitalada or Kingpetch; Too Sharp or Arbachachov. Potential even Zapata or Betulio. I like Laciar here, though.

 

I think Donaire should be near the top. Inoue jumped from 108 to 115 without any flyweight fights.

 

As far as probabilities go, even though I don't know any flyweights, I do know that Ortiz and Johnson, in pretty much every weight class, are good enough guesses for surnames to say if you don't know anybody. So, I would like to mention Ortiz and Johnson as maybe dark horse candidates or maybe just the best candidates that are going to be popular.

 

In no order
Wilde
Lynch
Perez
Canto
Kane

 

It's certainly possible, but I think in Chionoi's case, he's one of those guys who never really fall too far from their peak. Not saying he was in the prime of his life, but I don't think he was too far away from his best. A bigger mark on Oba imo is his fight with Hanagata, who managed to make the fight close by simply by being a bit better at managing distance and staying at range. However, it's possibly a combo of inexperience and styles, because a master of distance management like Betulio Gonzalez should chew someone with those weaknesses up.

Another guy who could be top five who hasn't been mentioned yet is Venice Borkhorsor. He looks like a behemoth in the footage against Herrera; and anyone able to absolutely obliterate Betulio and Salavarria is a dangerous mf, not to mention moving up and taking Herrera down to the wire (probably should've won iirc).

 

Going back to this, if I was to include guys with little to no footage, there's a good chance the only guy from my original five who makes it is Canto.

Pascual Perez, Midget Wolgast, Jimmy Wilde and as mentioned, Borkhorsor could realistically be the other four. Perez and Wolgast look especially good - despite the latter's more unorthodox style.

 

I know this is hard to show through text but I want to make it clear that this is not a trick or dishonest question. I'm not an expert on flyweight history, I know the general career arc of Wilde and I've watched the film and I just don't see how he's better h2h wise than most of the other names mentioned in this thread. It feels like best case scenario we simply don't have enough footage to properly rank him and worse case scenario he is being slightly overrated in a h2h sense. He doesn't even impress the most out of the guys with almost no footage, Wolgast impresses me way more at first glance. There's also the potential size difference on fight night between him and more modern flyweights.

@Flo_Raiden or any other poster who knows more than me about h2h match ups and flyweights (which is probably most of the forum tbh) feel free to tell me where I'm going wrong here.

 

Head-to-head, nobody in my lifetime is beating Harada.

 

Yup, exactly my view.

 

Sorry, total disagree, friend. Harada seemed untouchable at flyweight; in contrast, he looked very vulnerable as bantamweight. Yes, he beat Jofre, but he also lost to Medel and Esparza (!) at bantamweight.