Ward has the better resume but as @Serge said some of his notable wins have a major asterisk next to them aswell. But saying that i still think Ward's win over a prime Froch is still better win than anything on Crawford's resume yes even Spence taking into account the background of Spence's car crashes, inactivity.
Honestly, I rewatched Ward-Kovalev 1 and I had Ward by a point. The rounds were all very close and it's not unfeasible to score it for Ward. I genuinely do feel that the fight could have gone either and that Ward did a good job of asserting himself after the 4th.
4 divisons > 2 divisons 2 undisputed > 1 undisputed Spence > Kovalev (best win) Madrimov < Froch (second best win) Postol = Kessler (third best win) Gamboa = Dawson (fourth best win, both shouldn't have taken a big fight in a divison they didn't belong) Crawford for me achieved more, but it's close. If Ward would have become undisputed in 175 he could have passed Bud but he didn't want to risk losing and retired young
I’m talking about how his career played out after their rematch. The first fight isn’t relevant. Andre broke him down in the rematch, where he was never the same afterwards.
You are outside your mind if you think Ward Kovalev 1 coupd have gone "either way". No, it couldnt have. Kovalev won and INEC. Crawford Madrimov was close and a case for a draw could be had, but Bud winning championship rounds edged it. Crawford and Ward wins over EE fighters were NOT the same and suggesting so shows your limitations as a fan judge
Yep I am pretty much with you and Serge on this one. Although Ward was not the prettiest guy to watch, he was more effective than Crawford, with the level of opposition in view between them.
Rematch was only necessary because he was ****ed over. It was the ****ing that broke him, which is why he lost the rematch.
Not really a fair comparison until Bud’s career is over. Nothing controversial about Madrimov win because Bud won against a very good fighter and champion.
The rounds were incredibly close the whole way through in both fights. At best, if you give Kovalev every swing round you end up with 115-112 Kov. Kov had a very good first 4 rounds then stepped off the gas and Ward, like he always does, grew into the fight, while Kovalev began to gas and lose the snap in his punches and the bounciness in his feet. Ward asserted himself pretty well after the 4th imo and got the better of the action in most instances. All 4 fighter (Bud, Madrimov, Kovalev, and Ward) have solid arguments for winning their respective fights. People scoring differently from you isn't a sign of their limitations. Perhaps it's a sign of your ability to understand the perspective of others? Don't let yourself get trapped in a life of a closed-mindset. When we become stuck in our ways, this creates suffering. Be perceptive, be open, go with wherever the stream takes you. Stop and smell the roses, maybe if we all did that a little more often we wouldn't be so frustrated with fan-scorecards which go against our own. 無為
I feel Ward had bigger victories, but Crawford had the more consistently tough resume, going up in weight and becoming the number 1 each time.
I don’t believe that for a second. If Kovalev had thought that he’d been robbed in the first fight, it should have given him more fire for the rematch. We’ve seen many guys over the years who’ve felt aggrieved at the decision of the first fight, only to go out and try to prove a point in the rematch. I also don’t think that it was the robbery that most claim either, and that they’d have had a rematch regardless. But either way, I saw Andre hit Kovalev to the body with shots that couldn’t even have been disputed, where Kovalev looked at Weeks in absolute desperation. The end of the fight wasn’t good, but the damage had already been done at that point. He’d already folded both mentally and physically.