Will the officiating be fair in Fury-Usyk II, or will the ref and judges help Fury?

I think usyk will stop him this time between the 8th and 11th round

 

While judges are a mixed bag, I have full confidence the ref will make the right calls.

 

I hope they rob uysk blind then revoke his purse then enslave him at john furys mercy.

 

Nonsense. Even Fury’s pal Chisora said that it was the slowest count he had ever heard.

 

Fury was held up by the ropes on five different occasions during that barrage. The referee hindered Usyk three times and still Usyk landed 18 clean power punches to Fury’s head. That’s terrible punishment and one Fury never was subject to, not by a long shot. Not even Wilder hurt him that much, ever. It wasn’t a single KD, it was five in quick succession. Fury was unable to intelligently defend himself and he needed to be escorted back to his corner by the referee. You never saw that with him before. He was done. Usyk was denied to score a legit KO/TKO due to boxing corruption and politics.

 

I wasn't aware that Chisora was a leading authority on refereeing

 

The point was that Chisora is pro-Fury therefore his opinion can’t be dismissed like that of Froch or Joshua or Bellew or Haye. They said the same about the count (along with plenty other pro fighters) but the narrative from the Fury camp is that they are just haters so their opinions don’t matter. But when Fury’s pal Chisora says it, it’s suddenly “I wasn’t aware that Chisora was a leading authority on refereeing”. It’s just moving the goal posts whenever the Fury hater label can’t be used on someone anymore.

 

It's not moving the goal posts when you're bringing up unreliable sources of information. How long a count is is up to the referee, and it isn't necessarily ten seconds. This was covered back when Wilder fans were crying about it.

 

It’s not about any of that. It’s about the fact that the referee made sure to run the clock down so Usyk had no time left to finish the job in the round - after being hindered by the referee three times. 19 seconds passed between the referee stepping in and then signalling to continue. That’s a lot of time when every second counts. The age old “it’s not ten seconds” thing doesn’t apply here. The eight count was done in about 11 seconds. That’s reasonable. But the referee was pampering Fury for another 8 seconds which is a long time in that situation and, crucially, it virtually meant that the round came to an end so Fury could get back to his corner to rest. It was all orchestrated to help Fury since the whole boxing establishment and especially Turki Alalshikh wanted Fury to win in order to have the long-awaited Joshua-Fury match taking place next. The referee was blatantly helping Fury out.

 

It's the referees job to ensure a fighter is Ok to continue. How long that takes is also up to them (walk forward, raise your gloves etc). Again, this was covered in Wilder Fury 1. The referee made the right call.

Usyk was a whisker away from a KO, and had another 3 rounds to do it. He'll probably do it next time around.

 

Wilder-Fury 1 is a good example for good refereeing. The referee there:
1. Pushed Fury’s hands off of his shoulders to make sure Fury was not using him to stay standing, and to show this to the judges and the spectators too.
2. All the while, he kept talking to Fury, asking numerous questions.
3. He ordered Fury to walk back to the closest corner, moving side-to-side rather than just walking forward (since any old drunk can stumble forward, as explained by the referee later on), and back towards him.
4. Then grabbed both of Fury’s hands to make sure they have enough power and coordination
5. He then checked Fury’s balance once again by pressing against his chest with one hand before letting the fight to continue.

Jack Reese did all this in the exact amount of time, in eight seconds, as the time that was wasted by the referee in the Usyk-Fury bout. The referee form the Usyk-Fury fight did none of what Jack Reese did in that amount of time. Reese did a lot of things he deemed necessary and it took eight seconds. But the Usyk-Fury referee hardly did anything apart from letting Fury to rest against the ropes. No lengthy communications, no pushing Fury’s hands from his shoulders, no making Fury to jog sideways to a corner and back, no checking his balance by pushing against his chest. Fury was just leaning against the ropes for another eight seconds after the eight count was done. Jack Reese did all those checks and precautions because Wilder is a devastating puncher who could literally kill someone with a single punch and Reese had to make sure Fury is ready to defend himself from him. Usyk was never a big puncher even at CW so it was a totally different scenario and nothing justified the referee taking that long after the eight count still. He was just blatantly buying precious seconds for Fury to get him back to his corner for a full minute of rest before Usyk could do anything about it.

 

While I respect your opinion I'm gonna have to disagree mate. Usyk also had an additional three rounds to finish things.

 

If the checks required exceed a reasonable amount of time (a whopping 2 X 23 seconds allowed, all up, in Fury’s case in two separate fights, even against an MMA guy) then that obviously defeats the intended requirement of a fighter being able to rise before and continue immediately after a reasonably applied 10 count.

The checks shouldn’t be so extensive as to allow extra and unreasonable time for the fighter to actually recover.

If the ref isn’t satisfied that a fighter is okay within a second or two after rising or after the completion of a mandatory 8 count, he should call the fight. Simples.

 

ATGs are often known to know exactly when to shoot their wad to secure a reasonably interpreted stoppage or outright knock out.

Usyk knew when to put the pedal to the metal and aptly poured it on - but he was interfered with, robbed of the stoppage and then robbed of landing the coup de grace.

Naturally, Olek’s own tank was drained after a well considered risk/reward effort that was not duly rewarded due to the blatant misconduct of the referee.

Interesting that Fury fans still won’t go near the fact that the referee also assisted the still discombobulated Fury part way back to his corner at the end of round 9.

Ref’s discretionary powers in play there also?

Lol.

 

That’s cool, it’s a forum. If we agreed on everything there would be nothing left to talk about.

Fury’s recuperative powers came to the rescue again. Also, Usyk spent a huge chunk of energy in the ninth and was quite knackered from that point on. In the tenth, he was visibly less active as a result. That’s why it’s always important to finish the job when the opponent is most hurt. Usyk was denied this opportunity and he didn’t have one in the last three rounds as a result.