Proof that Liston blinded Ali

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  1. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No one probably knows for sure but it was likely something chemical in nature, that was intended to cause short term irritation to Clay’s eyes. Liston was taking a beating, the writing was on the wall for the champ & his corner had to resort to desperate measures.

    It is not clear what the substance that Sonny Liston’s corner used to blind Muhammad Ali in their first fight, and there is still no definitive answer today. When Ali was blinded at the end of the fourth round, Muhammad Ali returned to his corner and told them to “cut the gloves” because he couldn’t see. He later said that he wanted the world to see the tactics that were used against him to defeat him. Ali’s trainer, Angelo Dundee talked him out of quitting, however, and simply told him to “run.” Ali did so until his eyes cleared.Immediately after the fight, Ali said in several interviews that Liston was a dirty fighter and that the use of the substance was a dirty tactic. You can watch these interviews on You Tube. It was a claim he would eventually not dwell on, however, I’ve never seen or read of an interview in which he totally walked it back either.

    Eddie Machen, a heavyweight contender who had lost a 12-round decision to Liston in a valiant effort to defeat him, said that he believed that Liston’s handlers made deliberate use of an illegal medication to temporarily blind Clay. According to Machen:

    “The same thing happened to me when I fought Liston in 1960. I thought my eyes would burn out of my head, and Liston seemed to know it would happen. Clay did the worse thing when he started screaming and let Liston know it had worked. Clay panicked. I didn’t do that. I’m more a seasoned pro, and I hid it from Liston.”

    Eddie had a somewhat different take on it than Dundee, Machen reasoned that Liston’s cornermen would rub medication on Sonny’s shoulders, which would then be transferred to his opponent’s forehead during clinches and drip into the eyes.

    Meanwhile, Philadelphia Sports Reporter Jack McKinney said that one of Liston’s cornermen, Joe Pollino, told him that Liston had ordered him to rub an “astringent compound” on his gloves before the fourth found. Liston then shoved his gloves into Clay’s face during that round. I read another version in which it was reported that McKinney himself was sitting close enough to Liston’s corner to hear Liston say it himself. Who knows?
     
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    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Seems we've got a new Mendoza vs McVey on our hands.
     
  4. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali repeated the claim here, adding some interesting story, timestamped:

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  5. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Awesome.
     
  6. SolomonDeedes

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    There's nothing new here. No one disputes that something got into Ali's eyes, the question is where it came from. At the time, Ali certainly assumed that it was something on Liston's glove, but there's no evidence of that.

    Machen's claims lack all credibility because he said nothing about being blinded in his fight with Liston until after it happened to Ali four years later.

    Jack McKinney, similarly, forgot to mention this and other "revelations" by Joe Pollino until well after Pollino's death.
     
  7. SonnyListon>

    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    All these people claiming Monsels Solution when if its not correctly dealt with (water barely effects it) it can cause permanent eye injuries? Yea sounds abt right.
     
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  8. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Full story about how Ali later recognized Liston cornerman that blinded him years later, and how he asked Ali if he wanna help him to do that against Foreman.
     
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  9. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So if this stuff was rubbed onto Liston’s shoulders it could also possibly get onto his opponents gloves and end up in his eyes?
     
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    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    Indeed! The chemicals which cause permanent damage to eyes got rubbed into various of Listons opponent’s eyes who never resulted in eye issues. Makes sense if you don’t think abt it!
    (The sarcasm in this is not directed towards you, its for BF.)
     
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  11. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I proved you wrong, Ali even met a man who blinded him and offered him to do the same against Foreman.
     
  12. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not possible.

    Liston had to use it only on the top of his gloves and punch Ali in forehead, so that would drop etraight into Ali's eyes.

    Ali in this interview Maccaveli posted even explained how.
     
  13. SonnyListon>

    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    Yea im sure all these Italian Gangsters are letting their champions cornermen admit to cheating and offering the man who defeated one of their most profitable and famous fighters help! Your seriously stupid.
     
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  14. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah, you know better and Ali is again lying because he exposed your hero?
    Again no valid argument from you while I even provided Ali saying how he was blinded and met that men who blinded him.

    But you can't take the truth like every Liston fan.
     
  15. SonnyListon>

    SonnyListon> #1 Sonny Liston fan Full Member

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    Hes making a baseless claim.