Did Usyk's resume get better or worse ?

Don't rate Fury that high anyway. S..t era
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Not happy about the result tonight
If Fury loses so be it, no skin off nose. Fury is a bum compared to the true greats,but he's better than that donkey bodybuilder

 

It's a shame that Ali wasn't still alive to say something similarly complimentary about Usyk, so you could use that to "prove" Usyk beats him too.

 

Your book is probably filled with terrible drawings of Tyson Fury with an erection and a bunch of stuck together pages. LOL

 

Since Usyk stopped the guy who annihilated Joshua, his resume essentially remains the same. Joshua Needs to retire immediately, his punch resistance is now non existent.

 

And AJ. When the title split four ways, AJ can still be walked into one.

 

I thought Wlad's better-than-expected performance vs. Joshua actually enhanced Fury's win somewhat, since it showed Wlad wasn't completely shot yet when he fought Fury. Joshua getting smoked by an underdog @ a time when many people thought he was an improved fighter is the complete reverse scenario IMO.

 

Yeah, its worth noting that Holy and Usyk are apparently good friends. I am 100% positive if you asked Usyk who is better, he's say Holy.

 

You can choose to disregard the opinions of the actual fighters you think would have beaten Usyk, but that’s the best we have in terms of an answer to these “what if” scenarios. Without a time machine, you simply can’t know these things, especially in heavyweight boxing, which is historically the most prone to upsets. If Holyfield had never fought Tyson, there’s no way people would believe that a post-Bowe, 34-year-old Holyfield who struggled against an old Holmes and Foreman and was badly hurt by a journeyman and late replacement Bert Cooper and had a serious heart condition as well, would absolutely batter a post-prison Tyson. At the time, Tyson was such a wrecking ball that everyone thought he was even better and more dangerous than ever before. People kept sending funeral wreaths to Holyfield before the fight as the general consensus was that Tyson could literally kill him in the ring.

The same goes for Ali beating Foreman. If that fight had never happened, everyone today would say, “How could the same wrecking machine who destroyed both Frazier and Norton in just two rounds lose to a seven-years-older, shopworn Ali, who really ought to have retired after being beaten by Norton, and only hugged his way to victory in the Frazier rematch?” We would say today, with all due respect to Ali, what could he do against a 25-year-old guy with a record of 40-0 and 37 KOs?

Also, I’m pretty sure that if Holyfield and Wlad backed up your narrative and said they would have smoked Usyk, you would say, “See, they said it themselves! Do you claim to know boxing better than these legends by disregarding their opinion?”

 

Usyk's wins against both are good regardless because of the size difference he had to overcome and the power difference too. This means he has to be a LOT better than them as a boxer to win and incredibly superior to dominate.

AJ would probably call something like this genetic superiority but I don't like that kind of thinking. I prefer to think it's just a socio-economic thing that differentiates them. Usyk was quite clearly a privileged farmer.

 

He had no reason being favourite
Every fury and wilder fan dismissed that win
Joshua is done
Cant handle swarmers ruiz flashbacks

 

In some ways I think it may have enhanced Usyks resume
Definitely hasn't affected it
He beat Joshua when Joshua was a champion, defended against him and then defended against Dubois who has had 3 good wins after

 

Usyk’s resume didn’t take a hit at all.

One could argue that AJ himself has aged badly rather than it being said of Usyk’s previous victories over AJ.

But one doesn’t necessarily have to quibble over deteriorations - the fact is different styles and specific strengths/weaknesses make fights.

AJ’s vulnerabilities against big punchers were already known. Dubois is a big puncher. Usyk is not.

The most superior style is the one that ultimately prevails over the greatest number of the rest of the field.

Did Foreman’s quick KOs over Frazier and Norton necessarily dim Ali’s own performances against those same opponents?

No, Foreman was simply a monster puncher and Ali quite obviously was not - and of course, Ali went on to beat Foreman himself.

As for P4P considerations, we’re only talking resume in regards to Usyk fighting at HW, right?

- if so, Usyk’s performances have to be judged absolute, without such qualification.