Daniel Dubois vs prime George Foreman

Firstly I'm not a Foreman fan secondly you read my post wrong I never said Usyk was an unremarkable Cruiserweight ? Why in the world would I say that ? He's considered the GOAT Cruiserweight. I was on about "Kevin Lerena" the former Cruiserweight who knocked down Dubois 3 times maybe you haven't seen it before.

 

Of course, Foreman always wins because he is an old school fighter from an ancient era, old fighters always win at least judging by the nostalgics...

 

Not at all I think Usyk is a bad style match up for Foreman and could out point him.

It's nothing to do with nostalgia it's how fighters match up and Dubois's chin is a bit suspect hes been down 3 times from a Cruiserweight and he quit after a jab from Usyk. So no I'm not ready to say he beats a monster puncher like Foreman in battle of attrition.

I commend Dubois for his recent run of form but yet again people always get too carried away after a big fight.

 

Truly I hadn’t that is my apologises I don’t keep up with this generation much. Anyway I said my piece.

 

Regarding the Kevin Lerena fight - I think Dubois suffered a leg injury after the first knockdown. Something was off with him and he kind of willingly took a knee for the next two knockdowns. Lerena was 231lbs far removed from his cruiser weight and a southpaw.

 

Wilder was not a "terrific puncher" by any means when he fought Parker. Even in his prime, I'm not sure I'd classify him as a terrific puncher. Very powerful puncher sure, but incredibly limited.

 

I reckon he'd look similarly lost against Parker if he was younger. Fury II and III was already a sad affair with the third one making it look more even because Fury had an awful camp and pretty much walked himself into a right hand. Joseph was always less of a target, more elusive, and arguably more confident in his chin. Even current Wilder could look good if he was allowed to feast on the B-class he was used to. Heck, he dispatched Rob Helenius with an awful ease when he though all it takes is push him back, right before the Parker fiasco. Parker was a 4:1 underdog per some oddmakers if I remember correctly.

And yeah, not a good puncher as far as we interpret it as an entire archetype, agreed, but a very hard hitter nonetheless.

 

Foreman would just blast Dubois into next week, against Hrgovic Dubois got hit by the right at will and if AJ put the pressure on would have landed some clean rights

Now imagine a right from Foreman detonating on DDD's chin

 

Maybe but it's clear as day he wasn't the same fighter he once was. His already ridiculously low output, was half of his average according to compubox. He also didn't use the jab to set up the right at all which he'd done in the past.

Not sure how you could possibly come to this conclusion after watching Parker's fight with the glacially slow Joyce who never failed to find Parker.

Not sure how confident I'd be in my chin if I was knocked down 7 seconds into a fight, by a guy never ranked in the top ten.

Doubtful, it's clear as day he's a shot fighter. Do you honestly think this Wilder would beat the versions of Ortiz he beat back in '18 and '19?

Well it wasn't "right before the Parker fiasco". It was over a year earlier. A lot can change in a year. Especially when you're Wilder's age. Those three minutes he fought were all that he had in the two years leading up to Parker. Parker himself stated Wilder was rusty.

His right hand is all but gone at this point. At 38 years old his speed, and fast-twitch fibers, he used to generate his power are all but gone at this point.

 

No problem I've misread a few things myself when replying to a post it's no biggie.

 

Joyce acted as a pressure fighter. Huge gas tank, good control game, willing to punch with Parker, showing no respect, and constantly press on whilst going to the body. Parker coming in heavy and reportedly coming off of a flu did not help. Wilder cannot pull off the numerous stratagems Joyce employed even while shadowboxing, or in his dream. Otherwise he might have had enough self-awareness to bother to improve.

He did not use his right to set-up jab, because he was not in against the B-class opposition he was used to, with home cooking judges, and at that point he was likely painfully aware of that. Particularly because of the Fury demolition jobs (a cherry-pick gone wrong as well.) Ortiz was typically boxing outside, with paper chin, poor gas tank, and very likely declining reflexes, as he was simply aged. Even then he was taking rounds off of Deontay, and they had to outright cheat after he rocked him bad. More difficult fight than Molina, Duhaupas, or Szpilka, but a carefully chosen opponent nonetheless. They never let Wilder in near Whyte, let alone a willing, educated top ten fighter with a good chin like Parker.

Yes, Parker has a good chin. He is not one of those 'never-kissed-the-canvas' fighters, but he took plenty good shots from tough punchers. The never in the top ten fighter you mentioned was giving Whyte all he could handle, stopped Szpilka seven rounds earlier than Wilder, and dropped Joyce, on top of being the Brit Usyk mentioned as being the hardest hitter from among Joshua, Dubois, and Fury. Clearly left a great impression on a men who fought the likes of Briedis, Gassiev, Głowacki, and the heavyweight artillery as well.

I agree on Wilder not being prime for Parker, otherwise such a one-sided 12-0 would not have happened. I disagree on him being some show shadow of himself. He was exposed in Fury II, and had numerous red flags like being rocked badly by Ortiz and Molina, his atrocious matchmaking aside.

 

Boxing and fighters are evolving, it is impossible to know who would beat who, ancient fighters fought each other without avoiding each other and thus leave the impression that they are better than the modern ones, would anyone have the courage to bet their house on the victory of Foreman and with certainty say he's going to beat Dubois?

 

It's 50/50 Dubois makes it to round 2

 

I'd bet 10 grand with confidence on Foreman

 

So would i if i had 10 grand