Sonny Liston's shoulder injury.

Thank you Sir.

 

Then I suggest you watch footage of the fight kindly supplied by Pedro EI Chef.
This proves irrefutably,unquestionably,undoubtedly that Machen was telling lies
when he said that Liston's team had blinded him.

 

Nope he was not and Machen wasn't lying and so wasn't Ali and Folley.

But yet you would somehow make their claims false just because it hurts your hero rep.

Machen was just telling the truth, he covered his pain so Liston wouldn't know his tactics didn't work and that he could not discourage Liston.

 

Q - What evidence is required?

A - Evidence. Duh!

Collins claimed on Folley’s behalf that Liston “likely” dipped his gloves against Zora.

That’s called a third party assumption with no evidence whatsoever in tow. No quote of Folley making the claim himself was provided.

12 years isn’t a “few” years.

You deliberately and falsely said a “few” years in order to make the idiotic claim that Folley, with little time left in his l life, “must’ve” made the claim straight after the Liston fight -

Even Machen making his claim 4 whole years later is pushing the definition of a “few”.

See, you can’t even provide a date for Folley making any such claim.

You have other sources you’re holding back for a big reveal?

That reads as: You have nothing. Period.

You’re just trying to buy time to scramble for something that you don’t even have.

You’ve been asked for primary evidence (direct quoting of Folley) many times before and have never produced.

Btw, you’re only referencing Williams as a victim now because I said that Collins superficially mentioned him in his book also - again, without any evidence in support.

Talk about being exposed.

 

The write ups for Liston vs Folley make no mention of any perceived eye discomfort on Zora’s part nor any claim that Folley cried foul after the fight.

There is no write up for the first Ali - Liston fight that somehow omitted detailing Ali’s own eye contamination.

 

You are being completely ridiculous.Are you seriously telling me that if Machen had suffered
any astringent put into his eyes he would have miraculously managed to give absolutely no
sign of distress.This is impossible....I repeat,this is impossible.

 

I will provide it but not to you, since you would always make some stupid claim to make not valid what Folley said because you like Sonny that much.

So what is the difference if he made claim in the fight, after the fight or 100 years after the fight?
Some things are revealed by some people later than they should but according to your stupid logic they are lying, just because it hurts your hero Liston legacy.

I could make a claim that someone punched me for no reason before 4 years, and he actually did...but I am not talking the truth just because I made my claim 4 years after that?

Your logic is very stupid I tell you...

Even if he had evidences and fighters saying what happened to them, again you are the clueless biased Liston stupid fan that can not take the fact that he cheated by blinding his opponents.

We have at least 4 cases of blinding but only blind or stupid here is you because you can not take the fact that your hero cheated.

 

Yeah right everyone is lying and it is just imagination that they were blinded I know...especially if that is the case with your hero Sonny.

 

So Marciano having his nose split in a half or Baer fighting with both hands broken not feeling anything is impossible?
Well maybe to you but for me that is possible and like them, Machen could show not sign of distress too.

 

WHY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE?
Again no proof that he was not blinded.

 

There is irrefutable Machen wasn't blinded.Are you seriously saying that if Machen had been
blinded in the same way as Ali he wouldn't have shown any reaction or at least asked his team to try
and wash the contimination out of his eyes ?

 

What on earth are you saying ? The eyes are incredibly sensitive---it is impossible not to react to some degree
if an astringent substance has been rubbed into your eyes.
Of course having a split nose would be extremely hurtful but it would'nt produce the same reflex reaction as
contiminated eyes.Honestly,seriously have you really studied medicine ?

 

First of all he could not wash what is already damaged, because eyes were damaged from the contamination from that fluid whatever that was.
Second Ali even could not wash his eyes that fast it took him few rounds to do that.

 

Do you know the pain of your nose split in the half or punching someone with both wrists fractured and broken?
Eyes are sensitive and they could burn but it would not be even close to the pain of broken bones or extreme cut like nose split in the half.

Again what would you yourself like less, punching with broken both wrist and fractured or being pepper sprayed in the eyes even tho Machen was not even close to be pepper sprayed in the eyes.

 

You haven't even bothered to watch footage of the Liston vs Ali fight have you ? Beause if you had
you would have seen Angelo Dundee feverishly wiping Ali's eyes in order to try and wipe out the
contamination.
Again you are spouting out absolute rubbish !!!