Sonny Liston's shoulder injury.

Oh you know now Machen is lying, just because he said your hero cheated?
That's the worst argument I have seen ever.
I never said Dundee didn't wipe Ali's eyes, I said that it was not worth it since eyes were already contamined with that substance.
Machen felt that he was blinded, and Machen was honest man I'll trust him more than you and how he felt.

Also Machen wanted rematch with Liston since Machen fought with broken hand but Liston denied.

 

Yeah Ali but Marciano was blinded too, it was more difficult to see but he didn't yell around that's why I trust Machen and that he could cover his eyes being blinded.
That's why Machen stated that he covered his eyes damage unlike Ali who yells around about it.

 

No yet again you are wrong.At the end of round 7 Marciano complained to his corner that
his eyes had been contaminated by the solution used to treat Walcott's eye-injury.Marciano spent
the next few rounds wildly missing Walcott because of his blurred vision.
Come on,do some research before posting your nonsense.

 

It's not of question of taking Machen's word or not taking his word.Simply look at footage of the fight and any
sane person will see that Machen was lying.

 

It turned out to be the solution his own camp had put on his cut forehead after his head had collided with Walcott's eybrow.
Rocky's corner hit the area with water, and it ran down into his eyes.

 

Cheers mate.Always good to have the right info.

 

That is only because Machen stayed calm and did not want Liston to see his tactics worked, as Machen described.
It is very possible that Machen was not that much damaged due to his fighting style also he tried to cover it.

 

Just because you do not like the fact that your hero cheated it does not mean that everyone is lying as you stated.
Machen even explained how he covered himself because he did not want Liston to see he was blinded and panicking because it.

 

Oh yeah,so after the fight Machen said he had an arm injury which is why,according to him,
he lost the fight against Liston.Yet he didn't mention Liston's team alledgedly blinding him until
FOUR years later !!!
It's so blatantly obvious that Machen is a liar.

 

So what if he said right after the fight or 4 years?
That is the weakest argument I ever heard, many things are admitted after the fights including fixes and injuries.

 

Once again you refuse to face reality.If Marciano, ( a man noted for being reluctant to give away any sign
that he was suffering in any way),loudly complained about his eyes being contaminated do you seriously
think Machen would keep silent under the same cicumstances ? No matter what degree
of contamination Machen claims to have suffered ?
The evidence that Machen lied is overwhelming !

 

Well it does not change the fact that he was blinded, it does not matter if it was in the fight, right after the fight or 4 years later.
So according to you if Marciano stated that he was blinded after the fight was lying just because Ali said it in the middle of the fight?
Again, weak argument.

 

Oh for goodness sake use your common sense.Why on earth are you creating a scenario whereby Marciano
complained about blinded after the fight when he complained about this during the fight ? This is one of the
many factors that confirms Machen was lying about being blinded.

 

Oh I see.So according to you the fact that Machen complained about his arm injury immediately after
his fight with Liston but for some mysterious,unfathomable reason didn't mention that ( in his own little
fantasy world ) he was '' blinded '' isn't significant ?
Come on ,get real.

 

Where did Marciano complained in the fight?
He said he was blinded after the fight not in the middle of the fight so again you lying just as much as you stated Ali stated Liston was the one of the greatest when he named them.
Which factor confirms Machen was lying other than you being clueless and angry because your hero cheated?
Machen even explained why he covered his eyes blinding.