Sonny Liston's shoulder injury.

Because again he did not wanted Liston to know his dirty tactic worked as Machen explained.

Also arm injury was more serious thing to say he lost, nobody would believe him if he said he lost because he was blinded.

 

Why don’t you engage your brain, actually read and research before letting your fingers to type out rubbish?

You falsely accused another poster of lying when their statement was fact based. You should apologise clown.

https://www.espn.co.uk/espn/classic/news/story?id=2467838

 

Lol. Do you even read back the crap you type out?

You should cut your losses, plead the 5th and recede from discussion.

Correct.

Nobody would (nor do they now) believe or purport to believe Machen’s claim except an individual like yourself.

Worse still, you’re pushing for a claim that was made 4 years after the fact.

Of course it matters as to how long such claims are made.

Do you think the judicial system wouldn’t heavily question a plaintiff as to WHY they only made first mention of a crime, causing them to lay charges some 4 years after the fact of the alleged crime?

Of course it would. But not you. You’ll buy anything hook line and sinker if it suits your biases and agendas. Gullible’s Travels.

 

Nowhere in boxrec Marciano did not complain about being blinded.
This was after the fight was over, when Marciano made claims that Walcott used something, I could find a quote unlike this where Marciano just said that he could not see not that he was blinded.

 

Only clown is you, btw here is a proof that Marciano accused Walcott after the fight.
Expert cut man Freddy Brown, hired specifically for the fight,with Goldman and Columbo, washed the eyes with small sponges soaked in cold water.The eyes were red and misty.
"We suspected it was some kind of medication used on Walcott ," Allie Columbo said.
"But we didnt know what to do about it.We just kept trying to wash the stuff out of his eyes,but they seemed to be getting worse all the time".
"What are they doing what are they doing," screamed Al Weill ,Rocky's manager he shouted to the referee Charley Daggert."Check his gloves, check his gloves!"
After the fight Marciano said,"it seemed like Walcott had some stuff between his neck and shoulder,where I rested my head when we got in close."Everytime we came together my eyes would start smarting again".
Sam Silverman who promoted many of Marciano's early fights was sitting right beside Rocky's corner ,he had a different take on things.
"No question .They blinded him in his own corner." " I was sitting ringside ,right next to them,I think it was poor work by his own handlers,that blinded Rocky.Whatever they used on his head got into his eyes".
"Weill had everybody crazy in that corner."
Walcott had the legs of a twenty year old.he was having the best fight of his career.He must've put Rocky into two hundred head on collisions.It was one of the worst lickings I ever seen a guy get.
Weill was a maniac,hollering,and screaming.Everybody got nerved up.Instead of getting towels and pads.They hit the kid with a sponge and the cut stuff went right into his eyes.They blinded him and the poor kid couldn't see.he was getting the **** punched out of him".
After the fight Walcott said ,"if there was anything in his eyes it had to be medication,I didn't know it".

 

Only stupid Liston fans like you would believe that Machen was lying because you do not want hear your hero legacy goes down.

Also it does not matter, some boxing secrets were revealed many decades after fights which does not mean it was not true.

Mickey Walker claimed there was no street fight with Greb many years after, does that makes him a liar?

 

Nowhere in Boxrec? That’s some heavy research that you’re falling back on there, Rec Ranger.

Marciano indicated that he was experiencing serious issues with his eyes to his corner DURING the fight you clown.

That complaints were made after the fight does not eliminate Marciano actually complaining to his corner during the fight. Duh!

Like I said, time to plead the 5th or for mercy based on insanity.

 

"You should apologise clown" Not to be off topic but I always thought apologise was spelled with a Z not an S. Looks like I learned something today, thanks Pug.

 

The claim was always widely considered to be a myth - there was no PROOF - as there was no PROOF of Machen being blinded. Duh!

Walker withdrew a claim that never had PROOF.

Machen inserted a claim, years after the fact, that never had PROOF.

Walker ultimately aligned himself with the lack of any evidence and the actual truth.

Spot the difference Spot?

Dayum, in terms of debate, you don’t even make for light sparring.

Rather, it’s like repeatedly pounding a fixed speed bag that keeps bouncing back for more punishment. You’re a masochist, I tell ya!

Rat a tat tat!!!!

 

Just a Brit vs US thing.

Canadians also spell it with an “s”, don’t they?

Anyway, I’m an Aussie but close enough for hand grenades in terms of adopting the Pommie..err,..I mean, Brit spelling.

Either spelling is fine by me.

I apologis(z)e for any confusion.

 

It does change the fact that he was not yelling around in the fight which confirms my story and is proving my point, that it does not matter if he complained in the fight, after the fight or few years after saying if someone blinded him.
I know it hurts your hero legacy and that you can not take it because it is almighty Sonny Liston.

 

It was confirmed by Walker that it did not happened while no one confirmed that Machen was not blinded and could not be confirmed that he was not blinded because he was even tho you do not wanna admit it.

Even if Machen had the proof and complained you would make 1000 excuses because it is your hero talked about.

 

Meandering off point as usual.

Reeling you back in.

You said Marciano didn’t complain of eye issues during the fight. Marciano did complain thusly.

You are WRONG and you should apologise.

At any rate, my speed bag work is done for today.

Knock yourself out and keep arguing with yourself.

Also, you better keep checking under your bed for the Big Ugly Bear who would likely say that you should be charged for impersonating a boxing fan.

 

I said that he did not complained in the fight but after the fight which I proved.
That also proves my point that it is not important if the fighter complains in the fight, after the fight or decade later if he felt that he was blinded.

 

Okay, one more hit on the bag, too hard to resist.

Again, read yourself…. your own self contradicting statements going above your own head….yet again. Wow.

Also, you OBVIOUSLY don’t need to disprove a claim for which there is no evidence.

The onus is on the accuser to prove their claim with evidence. Duh!

If Ray Charles made a belated claim that Liston had somehow blinded him also - then, OF COURSE, that claim would hold true until we “proved” that Liston didn’t do it.

Well, at least that would be the applied “logic” in your very strange, little world.

Marciano complained during the fight. Period. You don’t know your arse from your elbow.

Rat a tat tat.