Who was more protected ? AJ or Wilder ?

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WHO ?

  1. AJ

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  2. Wilder

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  1. Boxing_Fan101

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    If weight was such a problem he should have fought at Cruiser but guess what those guys are even more skilled and can you see someone like Usyk having any issues with Wilder I can't

    Are you also forgetting the height advantage he had over many fighters or the fact that Usyk beat Fury even though he was outweighed by a huge margin

    Using weight as a reason why he was protected is ridiculous and almost as bad as blaming your costume
     
  2. Dubblechin

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    Boxing divisions are by weight, not height. Giving up ridiculous amounts of weight for every fight for 12 straight years is a huge deal.

    Usyk and Wilder fought in the same division as amateurs. Wilder has fought the bigger men for 16 years.

    Usyk has been a heavyweight for the last five years (a third of the time). And Usyk has already said he wants to finish his career by going back down to cruiserweight.

    Because the "weight" issue is a problem for him. (Of course it is.) And it's always been a problem for Wilder. (But, when discussing Wilder, you guys won't even consider it.)

    And Usyk is 10 pounds heavier than Wilder these days.

    If Wilder and Usyk fought, Usyk would be the significantly heavier fighter. Not Wilder. That's how ridiculous it's been for Wilder against these guys for the last 12 years.

    Even the cruiserweights moving up are heavier than Wilder now. (Usyk. Gassiev. Okolie)



    Side Note: Usyk made "one" successful defense against Fury. So did Wilder. Usyk got a knockdown over Fury in their first fight. Wilder got TWO. So, you can chew on that for a while. ;)
     
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  3. Boxing_Fan101

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    Chew on what Wilder had three attempts against Fury and lost each one the first two very badly, Usyk did it in one fight

    If weight is such an issue for Wilder he should drop down to cruiser or campaign and bridger it was pretty much created for him by the WBC

    Name one world level fighter in his prime (Ortiz was ancient) who Wilder beat just name one
     
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  4. hobby rider

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    If he wants to skip leg day and weigh a certain amount then that’s on him. He’s a 6’7” professional athlete, he can afford a dietitian and can afford to buy food.
     
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  5. Dubblechin

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    You can be snide or jokey, but facts are facts. Dieticians and "leg days" aren't making Wilder's legs bigger.

    Here's a photo of Wilder next to cruiserweight/light heavy/super middle Badou Jack.

    Getting thrown in with heavyweights who outweighed him for 12 straight years wasn't "protecting" Wilder. It was the opposite of that. (Still, he was wildly successful.)

    People have to be high to think he was protected. Because it's not remotely true.

    https://scontent-ord5-2.xx.fbcdn.ne...PeyRQvR60kIxX2TH1gxxi8ZzD5KQG-jLA&oe=67008D04
     
  6. Dubblechin

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    Wilder and Usyk both made one successful defense against Tyson Fury.

    Usyk dropped Fury once in his first defense against Tyson. Wilder dropped Fury twice in his first defense against Fury.

    Against both (Wilder and Usyk), fans though Fury got "saved" by the ref.

    Against both, Fury got the nod on one card.

    And Wilder certainly fought a far better version (younger, fitter) of Fury in 2018 than Usyk did in 2024.

    Deal with it.
     
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  7. Boxing_Fan101

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    So your response to naming one opponent in his prime who Wilder beat was the first Fury fight, you do know that was a clear robbery and 95% of people who scored the fight gave it to Fury even Wilder himself was in disbelief when the result was read out

    Do you think Wilder beat Fury? A knockdown doesn't mean you have won the fight
     
  8. hobby rider

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    Yes Facts are facts and the fact is he’s a professional athlete so within reason can weigh what he wants.
    Him and his team choose to make him weigh that amount.
     
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  9. MaccaveliMacc

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    The delusion level is high with this one.
     
  10. Dubblechin

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    Facts aren't delusions.
     
  11. Dubblechin

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    You know Wilder dropped Fury twice in that fight, right?

    You know when a champion (and Wilder was the defending champ) draws, it's a successful title defense, right?

    You know the question "did Fury get a long count" is literally what people have been talking about regarding that fight since it happened, right?

    If not, maybe you should stay off this board for a while and get out into the real world.
     
  12. MaccaveliMacc

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    People are talking about a lot of BS, doesn't mean it's anything good. There was no long count in that fight. Fury was up in 9 seconds fully aware and ready to roll, won the remainder of the round too.
     
  13. Boxing_Fan101

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    You like to avoid answering straight forward quetions

    Do you think Wilder won or even deserved the draw in the first fight, the only thing he did was score two knockdowns in a 12 round fight that isn't enough to give you the win unless the judging is corrupt which is was

    So do you think Fury got a fair result or were you only watching it with a bias towards Wilder?
     
  14. Dubblechin

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    Fury himself said he was out cold on the way down. And he didn't win the rest of the round. How freaking delusional are you being? Wilder rocked him again after Fury got up.

    Jesus. :hang
     
  15. Boxing_Fan101

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    Answer the question - WHO DO YOU THINK WON THIS FIGHT