Tyson Furys resume is better than Anthony Joshuas

So AJ did as well. We're not rating wins in terms on their value. It's just that we need to be consistent. If count every defeated title holder, AJ beat 3 champions and Fury beat 2. If we only count THE champions AJ beat none and Fury beat 1. The simplest stuff ever.

 

It is consistency aj beat a champ under bad circumstances. If Ruiz never smashed aj in the first place he would've never had the belts but people actually rate this win like aj beat a reigning champ with a resume, he didn't.

I don't rate the win, why should I? aj lost his belts to a massive underdog fringe contender and won them back

 

So we shouldn't rate Patterson's win against Johannsson, Ali's win against Spinks, Evander's win against Bowe and Lewis' win against Rahman either.

 

Bowe was still a top contender, Johansson was the number 1 contender at the time before becoming champ thats why he got the shot. I don't rate the spinks win no. Rahman at least has a win over Sanders and Lewis knocked him out in less rounds, that counts for something

 

Now you're just moving the goalpost. Nothing you mentioned here matters when it comes to losing the belts and regaining them.

 

You said we shouldn't rate those other examples to be consistent, because you're under the impression those wins are comparable when they aren't. I told you all the reasons why they aren't comparable to joshua winning the belts off Ruiz. Ruiz has no other decent wins besides aj himself which is the only reason he was champ

And just to remind you I don't rate Alis win over spinks. Spinks only won because Ali was shot to bits Leon Spinks did nothing else at heavyweight he was a glorifed journeyman despite his medal

 

They are in the basic sense of the discussion - whether these guys were the champions when they lost rematches or not. If Ruiz wasn't, then they weren't as well. If Ruiz was, they were. We're not rating the quality of wins here.

 

The point is Ruiz being the champion doesn't really mean anything on ajs record. It's filler

 

Even with the loss against Dubois, Joshua's resume is still better than Fury's. Fury's only notable wins in almost a decade were against Wilder, who has been exposed multiple times since and was never anything to write home about apart from a big right hand, and a Whyte who was well past his sell-by date by the time they fought.

Fury was never interested in building a strong resume. He was always after the most money with the least amount of risk involved, which is fine—if you don't call yourself the greatest fighter ever at the same time. Joshua might be less skilled and talented, but at least he always tried to go after elite opponents and unify the titles. I'm old school in that I much more appreciate fighters who come up short against opponents like Ruiz or Dubois than those who call themselves the greatest but instead of backing that claim up they fight trilogies against the Chisoras and Wilders of the world and put a Tom Schwarz bout on PPV and call it a lineal title defence.

 

I'm not saying it's not, I'm not even considering him the champion, just an unified title holder. But if people view title holders as the champions, there is no way Ruiz wasn't the reigning champion when he rematched AJ.

 

Fury is potentially one fight away from ****..g all over Ajs resume for all time

Big ask to beat usyk, but we will wait and see. As of right now, Aj just absolutely obliterated against a guy the vast majority picked him to run through and Fury is going up against a guy many call the best in the sport to try and redeem a loss

This fight is huge. Usyk forever puts a coffin nail on Furys ambitions as a top Heavyweight, or Fury has the best win in the division since wlad all those years ago

The stakes are high, I wish it was this week!

 

Many fighters win titles and lose them in their first defence, it doesn't always mean they weren't good.
Many on here site Wladimir as Fury's big win, which it was (it was a good win), but Wladimir lost a world title defence to Sanders who lost in his first defence
Does that mean it wasn't a good win for Vitali?

I would add that I am not trying to make it out to be an atg victory but can't see it as a terrible win either as Joshua looked more convincing in that win than other top 10 rated fighters did after like Ortiz, Anderson, Kownacki etc

 

Ruiz was rated #3 by The Ring

 

This is where I can decide who's resume I think is greater (not that my opinion means anything)
See below

In the time from winning their first world title
Fury November 2015 and Joshua April 2016

Fury is 5-1-1 in world title fights
Joshua 9-0-4 in world title fights

Unification wins
Fury 0-0-1
Joshua 2-0-0

Reigning champions beaten
Fury 2
Joshua 3

Successful title defences
Fury 3
Joshua 7

Including winning the title to date -
I think Fury has had 6 fights against top 10 rated competition in the nearly 9 years (3 against same opponent)
I think Joshua has had 10 fights against top 10 rated competition in the around 8 and a half years

In the time from winning their first world title
Fury November 2015 and Joshua April 2016
Nearly 9 years and 8 1/2 respectively -
Fury has had 3 successful title defences
Joshua has had 7 successful title defences

That may be incorrect

Point I was making was the more defences or top 10 rated opponents faced continually, the more chance to suffer a loss

 

That’s exactly why Fury ducked Usyk, Joshua, and an unbeaten Whyte (remember the Diamond Belt situation in 2019?) for years, and didn’t respond when Zhang, Bakole, Joyce, Sanchez, and other legitimate top contenders called him out in the last 18 months or so. So while Joshua has more losses, there’s absolutely no doubt that his résumé is still much better, and he has been a far better champion and ambassador for the sport. When Fury beat Klitschko, many of us thought his reign would be much better than Klitschko’s stranglehold on the division and holding the belts hostage. How wrong we were—Fury’s reign was even worse, far worse than the Klitschkos’.