Best single win in every weight class

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don’t know if this one’s been done, but I figured I’d take a swing at it. Basically, I’m looking for not the best fight ever in each division, but the single best result on someone’s resume fighting in that division.

    Obviously lots of factors can go into this discussion, so it should be a lively one.

    Here’s mine off thee top of my head, and subject to change when someone comes along and cites a better one in this class or that. And let’s not parse divisions with ‘welll he’d have been a cruiserweight at the time if that division had existed yet.’ Also, doesn’t have to be a title fight.

    Here we go:

    Heavyweight; Muhammad Ali KO8 George Foreman

    Cruiserweight: Evander Holyfield W15 Dwight Muhammad Qawi

    Ligh heavyweight: Gene Tunney W10 Harry Greb (went with this one as it was reported as being very one-sided and decisive as opposed to Tunney’s narrow 15-round win)

    Super middleweight: Roy Jones Jr W12 James Toney

    Middleweight: Ray Leonard W12 (split) Marvin Hagler

    Junior middleweight: Mike McCallum KO2 Julian Jackson

    Welterweight: Ray Leonard TKO14 Thomas Hearns

    Junior welterweight: Barney Ross W15 (split) Tony Canzoneri II

    Lightweight: Roberto Duran TKO13 Ken Buchanan

    Junior lightweight: Marco Antonio Barerra W12 (majority) Erik Morales

    Featherweight: Sandy Saddler KO4 Willie Pep

    Junior featherweight: Wilfredo Gomez TKO14 Lupe Pintor

    Bantamweight: Carlos Zarate KO4 Alfonso Zamora

    Junior bantamweight: ???

    Flyweight: Pancho Villa KO7 Jimmy Wilde

    Junior flyweight: ???

    I’ll leave super fly and junior fly to my more learned friends on the lightest weight classes, and I’m sure I have a few swing-and-a-miss selections on here too, but it should be a fun debate and discussion. Perhaps our buddy @Rumsfeld will consider it for a future video project.
     
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  2. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali over George Foreman
    Cruiserweight: Oleksandr Usyk over Mairis Briedis
    Light Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles over Moore in their third fight
    Super Middleweight: Roy Jones over James Toney
    Middleweight: Ezzard Charles over Charley Burley
    Super Welterweight: Michael Nunn's KO1 of Sumbu Kalambay
    Welterweight: Roberto Duran's win over Sugar Ray Leonard
    Super Lightwiehght: Barney Ross over Tony Canzoneri
    Lightweight: Benny Leonard's KO of Freddie Welsh
    Super Featherweight: Erik Morales over Manny Pacquiao
    Featherweight: Willie Pep over Sandy Saddler
    Super Bantamweight: Wilfredo Gomez over Lupe Pintor
    Bantamweight: Fighting Harada over Eder Jofre
    Super Flyweight: Gonzalez over Estrada or vice versa ?
    Flyweight: Pancho Villa over Jimmy Wilde

    Don't know anything about 108 or 105.
     
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  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'll have a ago.

    Heavyweight = Frazier defeating Ali

    Cruiserweight = Holyfield defeating Dwight Qawi or Usyk beating Breidis/Gassiev in the Super Six Tournament.

    Light Heavyweight = There's quite a few candidates.

    Tarver KOing RJJ
    Charles defeating Moore in their 3rd fight
    Tunny defeating Greb 1st fight

    Super Middleweight = RJJ defeating Toney

    Middleweight = I'll go with Turpin over Robinson because Robinson was 129-1.

    But Leonard vs Hagler is also a good choice.

    Jr Middleweight = Hearns KOing Duran

    Welterweight = LaMotta giving Robinson his first defeat or Leonard defeating Hearns.

    Jr Welterweight = Locche schooling Cervantes, Phillips upsetting Tszyu, Pryor defeating Arguello, Ross defeating Canoneri, alot of good candidates.

    Lightweight = Ambers defeating Armstrong

    Super Featherweight = Morales defeating Pacquiao?

    Featherweight = Saddler defeating Pep

    Super Bantamweight = Gomez defeating Zarate ?

    Bantamweight = Harada defeating Jofre

    Super Flyweight = Rungvisai giving Gonzalez his first loss.

    Flyweight = Gonzalez defeating Canto


    That's all I've got for now off the top of my head @Saintpat
     
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  4. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Some that haven't been mentioned yet

    Heavyweight- Schmeling KO 12 Louis
    Cruiserweight- Haye TKO 7 Mormeck
    Light Heavyweight- Spinks UD Qawi
    Super Middleweight- Andre Ward UD Carl Froch
    Middleweight- Taylor UD Bernard Hopkins
    Light Middleweight- Trinidad TKO 11 Vargas or Benitez UD Roberto Duran
    Welterweight- Zivic UD Armstrong
    Super Welterweight- Dulio Loi UD Carlos Ortiz or Frankie Randall SD Chavez
    Lightweight- De Jesus UD Roberto Duran
    Super Featherweight- Mayweather TKO Corrales
    Featherweight- Pacquaio TKO Barrera
    Super Bantamweight- Morales SD Barrera or Junior Jones UD Barrera
    Bantamweight- Montiel TKO Hozumi Hasegawa
    Super Flyweight- Vic Darchinyan KO 9 Mijares
    Flyweight- Daisuke Naito UD Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
    Light Flyweight- Carbajal TKO 11 Jorge Acre
    Minimumweight- Ricardo Lopez SD Alvarez
     
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  5. NoNeck

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    Heavy: Rahman ko Lewis
    Cruiser: Usyk over Breidis
    175: Tarver ko Jones
    168: Calzaghe over Kessler
    160: idk
    154: Floyd over Canelo
    147: Montreal
    140: Chavez over Taylor
    135 idk
    130 Floyd over Corrales
    126 maybe Pac over Barrera, but Chenko over GRJ was probably higher level
    122 Rigo over Donaire
     
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  6. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Man, I love these queries that make you think. OK, here are a few, but I'll be back later

    Heavyweight - Joe Louis KO1 Max Schmeling - we were on the precipice of WW2 and Max - although a good guy - was Hitler's pawn. No single win better.

    Middleweight - Harry Greb W15 Mickey Walker - Two of the best of their era going at and by all accounts a damn good fight

    Lightweight - Roberto Duran KO12 Esteban DeJesus - the rubber match and on top of that, since their second fight DeJesus picked up the WBC title so this was for all the marbles and they turned in a great fight

    Bantam - Carlos Zarate KO4 Alfonso Zamora - should have been for the unified title as both WBA and WBC champs duked it out to an explosive finish

    Super Fly - Johnny Tapia W12 Danny Romero - Man, everyone was equally divided on the outcome of this fight with both holding portions of the title
     
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  7. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    HW: Frazier-Ali 1 or Ali-Foreman
    CW: Holy-Qawi 2
    LHW: Charles-Moore 3
    SMW: Jones-Toney
    MW: Greb-Walker
    JMW: Tito-Vargas
    WW: Armstrong-Ross or Robinson-Gavilan 2
    jWW: Pryor-Arguello 2 or Chavez-Taylor 1
    LW: Williams-Montgomery 2
    jLW: Mayweather-Corrales or Arguello-Escalera 1
    FW: Saddler-Pep 1 or Pep-Saddler 2
    jFW: Fenech-Payakaroon or Gomez-Zarate
    BW: Zarate-Zamora or Olivares-Rose
    jBW: Tapia-Romero
    fly: Villa-Wilde
     
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  8. Glass City Cobra

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    I agree with probably the whole list. These were all epic historical wins that age like wine.

    There's a few other candidates that deserve mentioning such as Usyk beating the younger Gassiev to become the first undisputed Cruiserweight champ in quite a while, but Qawi was better than Gassiev.

    Floyd's master class domination of Canelo is hard to ignore, although Canelo wasn't as good back then as he is now. But it's impressive mostly because of Floyd's age and the fact he moved up way higher than his natural limit.

    The upcoming Bivol vs Beterbieve winner will be a major historical clash, I anticipate.
     
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  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good to see so many respected members of this community taking part.

    Keep ‘em coming.
     
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  10. yotam bing

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    HW: ali vs foreman

    CW: holyfield vs qawi

    LHW: charles vs moore (any of their three fights)

    SMW: jones vs toney

    MW: turpin vs robinson 1

    SWW: hearns vs benitez

    WW: armstrong vs ross

    SLW: benitez vs cervantes (benitez being 17 is what pushed it to number for me)

    LW: gans vs nelson

    SFW: morales vs pacquiao

    FW: saddler vs pep 1/2 or kilbane vs attel (couldn't decide on this one)

    SBW: gomez vs zarate

    BW: harada vs jofre

    SFlyW: roman vs watanabe

    FlyW: villa vs wild or park vs canto or naito vs wonjongkam 3 (i really can't decide)

    JFlyW: chang vs zapata 2 or flores vs gushiken 2 or ioka vs yuh 1

    MinW: lopez vs alvarez 2
     
  11. Saintpat

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    I was basically a coin flip between Benitez-Cervantes and Ross-Canzoneri II and Wilfred’s age was a big reason why. I eventually settled on the more vintage fight but either has a good argument.
     
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  12. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bumping to see if we can get some more input.
     
  13. Journeyman92

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    Just adding that at HW… Schemling vs Louis 1 was a genius plan, that’s a fight to study and learn from - better win then FOTC for my 0.2$ for 160lbs I actually like (don’t know if it’s “the best”) Tiger vs Griffith (for filmed bouts) that’s a 147lber (151lbs) surrendering 9lbs to a guy who was going to go up and become LHW champ very soon, Tiger was a monster renowned for his strength, durability and no nonsense style, Griffith had brazen to spare.
     
  14. Journeyman92

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    I’ve always wondered how RITJ can be considered “The Greatest” win at HW, it comes up a bit, do you mean historically? Because really it was a green guy getting beat up with too many nerves, good marketing made it great, similar deal with Toney vs Jones… Toney was very obviously drained, is beating a weight drained guy who wasn’t there really better then every 168lber win? Maybe if we go by names only.
     
  15. Saintpat

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    As for George, how green was he? Heavyweight champ in his third defense in his 41st fight after destroying the champion Frazier in merciless fashion that completely jaw-dropped the boxing world. He had an Olympic gold medal pedigree and been a pro for more than five years with some nice wins on his resume.

    This isn’t Leon Spinks we’re talking about. It’s as seasoned as you could ask a pro to be. Is he supposed to fight 150 fights because he’s a big puncher who knocked a lot of guys out quickly? And isn’t that what made him dangerous — that wrecking-ball power?

    Ali beat him laying on the ropes (which everyone said was the worst place to be vs George) and taking everything Foreman could throw at him and mentally draining and dominating him.

    If that’s not a great win, I’d love to see some examples. If you want to argue it’s not the greatest single win in heavyweight history, sure, there’s room for discussion. But you seem to dismiss it — I’m assuming you weren’t around at the time putting your mortgage on Ali and telling all your pals how you had a sure thing while you were planning to move to a luxury suite on an island.

    As for Toney … it was his first defeat in 46 fights as a pro and his only one-sided defeat in his first 57. He weighed 168 just 3 1/2 months earlier and knew the fight was coming. I personally don’t care much for the *had good excuse asterisk and I don’t see how this is a good excuse if he managed to both gain and lose a lot of weight in like 100 days with the biggest fight of his life to that point (and arguably of his whole career) staring him in the face.

    I don’t see evidence of him looking emaciated or weak in the ring. I see him completely being outclassed by someone with superhuman speed and reflexes who was playing with his food.

    No way I’ll ever buy that even if Toney was ‘weight-drained’ that he was not also equally ‘weight-drained’ in other bouts where he managed to perform and win. I think that same Toney probably beats any other super middleweight in the world on the same night. He was just completely outclassed and had an excuse that people wanted to buy. Not being a professional isn’t a good excuse, even if you want to buy his sale of ‘woe is me, I ripped and fell into an all-you-can-eat buffet every day on the way to the gym’ tale.

    So that’s how I see those two fights.
     
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