Do you think the damage Fury and Wilder gave eachother substantially affected them as fighters?

Their top skills were cherry picking and ducking.

 

No. I think they were both always overrated and Wilder was always going to get exposed when he fought the likes of Zhāng and Parker because he had never fought anybody (that wasn't shot to bits) on their level before Fury...and Fury was always going to lose to Usyk, because he simply isn't as good a boxer.

 

Usyk didn't beat Fury with his boxing. He beat him with his discipline.

The rematch is really can Fury bring better discipline and what adaptations do both make and can they execute on them because the things they were trapping each other with they both kept falling for in the 1st bout. High high level boxing and both super sexy.

 

Just be happy that Lordlosh got banned lol

 

I think it might be him on a new account lol

 

And you were likely convinced Dubios would get steamrolled by AJ. Welcome to boxing.

 

On topic, yes they definitely knocked the best out of each other. Their third fight was an absolute war.

 

Fury basicly never was the same after Wilder 2, his camp before Wilder 3 was bad, he looked sluggish troughout the entire Wilder 3 fight. Nowhere as quick or powerfull as in 2. I always had the feeling he let him self slide back a little after regain the WBC title, never taking any fight, or his career as serious again. I think its more a mentality thing then a damage thing. The guy tought he could cruise for years while making serious money. Glad Usyk brought him back on planet earth.

As for Wilder- he got exposed badly. The guy truly believed he was unbeatable in the ring. Despite having a nuclear right hand- his soul was gone after Fury 3. All the delusions beaten out of him. Still miss the trash talk of the old Wilder, the guy had such funny lines and weird mannerisms sometimes. Not to mention the hilarious cope after 2 and the builduip to 3.

In Fury's case its mentality, in Wilders case its getting his hyperinflated ego crushed.

Gotta agree on that one. Fury- despite not looking in his best form (Klitschko 1, Wilder 2) gave Usyk trouble for at least half the fight. There was not too much separating them. All in all a good effort. A vintage Fury performance could still surprise Usyk in december, but i doubt he has it still in him. Anyone heard of his legendary coach John Fury lately? Has Tyson fired him yet?

 

Wilder is 39 years old, at this age your speed, reflexes slip badly and you can see his timing, accuracy, speed have badly diminished and his inactivity in the last 2 years have accelerated his father time

 

Possibly. Fury has always been a bit up and down performance-wise. His first fight with McDermott...But he's looked nowhere near his best in the last two fights. Wilder has looked a bit gun-shy since the knockout loss in the third fight.

 

Just provision for another attempt to offset Fury having been clearly beaten by Usyk.

The ever expanding list of excuses: Fury had the worst corner. His Dad was huge distraction. Fury wasn’t perfectly conditioned. Fury came in too light. Fury fought the wrong fight. He didn’t take Usyk seriously enough. Fury clowned too much. It was so close that it even could’ve gone Fury’s way. Etc., etc.

NOW, it’s Fury was irreparably damaged by the Wilder fights and the degree of said damage heavily impacted on the outcome of the Usyk fight. Seriously?

Before the fact of the Usyk fight, Fury’s now alleged state of major disrepair didn’t dissuade a good number of people from picking him to defeat Usyk.

And, there are still a good number of people who think Fury can win the rematch if he simply eliminates some deficiencies (within his control) that they perceived as being evident in the first fight.

 

Talk of Fury taking a lot of damage from Wilder started well before he signed to fight Usyk. Are you saying he didn't take any?

 

Stand back and look at the complete mosaic of excuses.

I didn’t say he didn’t take any damage and it’s not logical to assume that I implied it either.

All fighters take some measure of damage (temporary or ever lasting) and incur general wear/tear from fight to fight - including Usyk himself but I understand the spot light is still on making one way concessions/excuses for Fury only, not Olek.

Be more specific.

You should actually state what damage you think Fury took and if you felt it was significant and irreparable.

AFTER the fact of the Usyk fight, did you then assume there to be a greater degree of permanent damage than you previously calculated for (going into the first Usyk fight)?

Further, did you perceive the damage to be so significant as to have heavily influenced your selection Usyk vs Fury 1 - did not allow for Fury possibly reeling himself back to being somewhat close to his best form?…. and who did you pick, btw?

Correct me if I’m wrong but haven’t you also touted or entertained Fury as having the ability to modify/correct himself and win the rematch?

The damage you’re talking is irreversible and can’t be fixed - and if you believe it to be as significant as suggested - there is apparently no wiggle room for Fury to improve himself from last time out.

BUT if he did happen to recapture himself, would he then be lauded for that?

His condition, focus and application of himself was the best seen in years in the Usyk fight -

- and that is an argument in itself against the extent of damage that is now being entertained.

 

Maybe you can try to actually address the OP and add to the discussion rather than go off topic with your usual Fury bashing.

 

I did address the OP - who are you trying to kid?

Only yourself, obviously.

Like I’ve said before, your delusional attempts to ply false narratives don’t cut it.

Maybe you should actually debate points rather than poking your head in to post superficial, unsupported replies only to then see you quickly recede. Playing the turtle head.

I answered your question.

You (as usual) baulked on answering my pertinent questions lest your answers (if framed honestly) impugn your position.

There was no Fury bashing. That’s just a throw away line obviously inserted due to you not being capable of refuting the points I made or answering any questions put to YOU.

That you think there was bashing just screams how overly enamoured you yourself are of the man.

You’re always a waste of time.

YOU clearly have nothing of worth to contribute except repeatedly displaying your over-sensitivities and biases in respect of Fury.

Tell everyone again how you initially claimed that Usyk literally stopped punching for the final 20 seconds of the first Joshua fight.

Very even handed and factually based that was.

But of course you unashamedly bailed on that discussion also.

Have I bothered to initiate engagement with you since? - I don’t believe so. Surely we won’t see you working in tandem again.

Lol.

Run along now.