Can Aj mentally recover and put Dubois away ??? In style ??? Kinda like Lennox v Rahman 2 ?

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  1. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He definitely can. Ironically, he seemed pretty relaxed after 3 knockdowns. Seemed like he started to have fun at the start of round 5. If he goes back in the ring with that mentality and, what's more important, fixes the mistakes he made (and there were A LOT of them), he can win the rematch. He knows he can hurt Dubois and that will most likely be his go to thought going into the fight. I would still favor Dubois tho, AJ never had a great chin and after the bombs he took in the first fight, he may be more fragile. But he will fight to the end as he continuously showed.
     
  2. UtterCup

    UtterCup A lover not a fighter Full Member

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    Way too much is made of AJ's apparent mental weakness. Even if it's a real thing, it's not the reason he lost. It's maybe the reason he gave a ted talk after the Usyk loss.

    He's not a savage fighter nor an elite boxer, and he doesn't have great powers of recovery. Believing isn't gonna change that.

    The Dubious fight would suggest he has too much self belief.
     
  3. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    Rockman was rocked and KO'd by one of the best combination ever landed. Bodybuilder was hit several times until his chin abandoned him.
     
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  4. CroBox29

    CroBox29 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The rematch will tell everything about Joshua's character and how much he cares about his career and sport, if he shows the same as in the first fight, then we will know that he only cares about money...
     
  5. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    No, he was absolutely obliterated and beat like a dog
     
  6. HEADBANGER

    HEADBANGER TEAM ELITE GENERAL Full Member

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    If Hearn and Joshua have any sense they will steer well away from a Dubois rematch and wait for Fury, I really think Dubois demolishes him in a rematch.
     
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  7. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't know.

    I'd kinda like to get Wilder and retirement at this point.

    Same for Deontay. Finish the score with Joshua and retire bro.

    They had their time, this is Usyk and Danny's era. I mean it's really DD's era. Usyk will age out.

    I'm excited to see what the new faces do. Agit is coming. Parker's looking stronger than ever, better than when he had a title. Bakole and Zhang represent that don't let me touch you danger. Wilder, Fury, and Joshua seem now like Povetkin, Wlad, and Pulev seemed when all we wanted was AJ-Wilder-Fury all mixng it up. Old men who might beat the new faces but are not likely to.

    I'm ready to see the Dubois era, or Wardley, or whoever. The past champions need to put that icing on their careers and go eat cake bro.

    So maybe I doubt them because I want them to go away, but AJ's a great one and could always show it again. Any of them three can. Problem is, it's a might where as Dubois vs Kabayel is a maybe.
     
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  8. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't know I mean he lost the Battle of the Jabs Which was one area that I thought that he would definitely have an advantage. He did seem to get hurt very early in the fight maybe even 30 seconds in by one of the first big punches that Dubois landed. Joshua just did not really have much deterrence for him he did hit Dubois with some really good shots but only seem to really do any damage with that one right hand in the fifth round that Buckled Dubois briefly

    I suppose if he was to clean up his defense work on his jab and defense against the jab maybe he could stifle Duboisi a little more and long enough to put more right hands like the one from the fifth round on him. I think he's quite capable of knocking Dubois out but it's a matter of if he can prolong himself enough to score that punch. Despite getting knocked around the ring and coming off the canvas a few times he did score that big right hand but was reckless in his follow-up and got knocked out.

    One thing I did notice quite a bit Was how often Joshua backed up in straight lines with his hands down And how out of position he could get Leaving himself open to big counters

    I would have to favor dubois pretty strongly in a rematch
     
  9. zulander

    zulander Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't see how.
    He was outgunned - DD had a better jab and used it to set everything up. AJ was on the back foot and didn't look comfortable. Arguably never looked comfortable after the first KD.
    Lewis didn't see Rahman as a threat and overlooked him. Lewis was well in the fight and although out of shape was winning rounds. AJ never looked comfortable and got beaten up and taken out.
     
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  10. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    I can't see it. Joshua lost every single jab exchange from the begining. He was comprehensively beaten by a man with similar physical attributes, better technique and better ring generalship.

    AJ has been making the same mistakes for years. In fact, he has actually regressed technically. I was rewatching Ruiz 1 and noticed every time AJ landed a left hook he would then back off in a straight line with his hand down - which was the reason Ruiz ended up smashing him with right hands towards the stoppage. He also kept 'galloping' away and giving up center ring - which he did again against Dubois.

    Even after all these years he still makes the same mistakes. It's just this time he did it against a younger powerhouse with a great jab. And unlike Ruiz, I doubt Dubois is gonna come in to a rematch looking like an advert for the American healthcare system.
     
  11. Eternal

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    Hasim Rahman fell into believing that it was a lucky punch and that Lewis was underprepared and all that bs and between the first and second fight he changed trainers and tried to change his boxing style working with Shane and Jake Mosley and then in the second fight he was trying to deploy a bunch of nonsense that he wasn't familiar with and wasn't that smart to begin with.

    If Hasim had instead just fought the second fight like he did the first fight then who knows what could have happened maybe HR could have weathered LL and scored a Tko11 victory or something like that, styles make fights and LL didn't just lose the first one because he was badly prepared, Rahmans style was a bit wrong for him. We'll never know what would have happened if HR had just fought the second fight like he did the first one or if he had tried to build organically on the lessons learnt from the first fight.
     
  12. 11player

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    Joshua was completelly dominated there. No one expected him to perform so bad. I don“t know, but the rematch is surelly the best option as its a title fight.

    Is there still any hunger in him? He will need it to beat Dubois.

    Dubois will be solid once again, strong and determined, but he is flawed and will lose if Joshua performs his best.

    Again an open fight but his time Dubois has the mental edge.
     
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  13. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    18 year old Dubois did the same thing in sparring. This would have been right around the height of AJ's title reign.
     
  14. Shazzar23

    Shazzar23 Demetrius Bivol Full Member

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    It's possible, but I dont think so. Dubois is being massively overrated rn. Joshua did nothing in there, but when he finally did land he had Dubois hurt... So it seems like Dubois' chin is still suspect. He could possibly land a clean shot and knock him out, but new Joshua is so scared to get hit that i dont think he'll be able to get any sort of offense off, especially considering how bad he got beat up. It seems Joshua's problems are his mental and his atrocious recovery ability. Bad combo.
     
  15. FrankinDallas

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